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by **pebbles1964** » Thu Jul 15, 2004 6:02 pm

I have read almost all the postings concerning "ketosis" and all the different opinions that arise and Dr. A 's few lines about it in his book. So does anyone know if there is anyway to have him comment further on the topic, mainly being... is it normal and okay to be in ketosis in P1?

by **CarolG** » Thu Jul 15, 2004 6:22 pm

Dr. A's comments from a year ago:

A: (Published July 01, 2003) Ketosis is a condition that occurs when carbs are limited so severely that the body begins to break down fat for fuel. In otherwise healthy overweight individuals, I am aware of no evidence that ketosis is a danger. But it is associated with a decrease of fluid volume and some dehydration, which can be a problem in people with kidney disorders or those on antihypertensive medications.

The South Beach Diet recommends enough low-glycemic carbs to prevent ketosis. Still, there can be some dehydration during Phase 1, and it is important to keep up with fluids. We suggest eight glasses of water or decaffeinated beverages per day. Ketosis-induced dehydration should definitely be avoided in people with established kidney problems or a predisposition to kidney problems (such as high blood pressure or diabetes). If there is any concern about this, you may begin with Phase 2 of the diet.

A more recent comment from one of the SBD Nutritionists:

Jun-15-2004 12:14 pm ...This should not happen on phase 1. Are you drinking 2 cups of milk per day, and eating the recommended amount of veggies? I recommend that you include some beans/legumes in your plan and make sure that you are eating the recommended amounts of foods so that you are not in ketosis.
By restricting carbohydrates drastically to a mere fraction of that found in the typical American diet, the body goes into a different metabolic state called ketosis. Normally the body burns carbohydrates for fuel -- this is the main source of fuel for your brain, heart and many other organs. A person in ketosis is getting energy from ketones, little carbon fragments that are the fuel created by the breakdown of fat stores. There can be some health problems associated with ketosis, so the SBD does not recommend ketosis.
Rachel--SBD Nutritionist

Hope this helps!

by **PatriciaS** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 1:33 am

That's excellent information. My kidneys aren't terribly strong, and I'm personally convinced it's because in my "youth" I went on an Atkins-style diet for a while, and later on a perfectly horrible ultra-Atkins style diet, and while it was for a relatively short time I'm sure it was hard on my kidneys.

Ketosis? Just say no. South Beach is a wonderfully healthy way to be GOOD to our bodies while losing weight sensibly and sustainably. What more could one ask for?

by **darinesto** » Sat Aug 07, 2004 12:10 am

I'm trying to lose weight with SBD. I just started Wed & wonder about how many carbs should I be having to prevent ketosis?. I started with phase 2 as I have had some kidney problems.
TIA,
Dar

by **ami** » Sat Aug 07, 2004 12:58 am

darinesto,
If you started in P2, then you should be having up to 2 servings of starchy carbs and up to 2 fruits per day, plus plenty of veggies. That should be enough to help you lose weight and be easy on your kidness.

Good luck,

by **darinesto** » Sat Aug 07, 2004 1:09 am

Thanks Ami,
I should be OK then. I had a slice of wheat bread & 1/2 a cup of brown rice. I had plenty of veggies today. Only 1 fruit well really 2 as I ate 3 prunes also. I don't care if I only lose 1 lb a week but 2 would be better :lol:

If U likes sweets & who doesn't I had something good. I let the brown rice cool & put a little sweetner in it. Top it off with a dab of coolwhip.. YUMMY like rice pudding. Glad I cooked enough for a couple of days

Thanks again for the advice.

by **IMGrace** » Sat Aug 07, 2004 1:59 am

Hi Dar,
I applaud your desire to eat healthy and using your head in starting on Ph.2.

I just wanted to say that 2 grains and 2 fruits is an awful lot to start with and you might find your body can't take that much, especially in the beginning. It's recommended that you start with one ph 2 food a day and monitor how it affects you. With 4 in your system,if you don't lose (or gain) it will be too hard to figure out the culprit.

There's a thread here called Day 1 Phase11--Daily Dish that might help you get started at a more successful pace. Then work your way up to as much as 2 grains and 2 fruits if your system allows.

Not trying to be a downer, just trying to save you some "headaches".
Good luck.

Grace

by **Kimboroni** » Sat Aug 07, 2004 2:09 am

Darinesto, please talk to your doctor regarding doing SB with kidney problems. S/he may need to give you a minimum number of carb grams or a maximum amount of protein to keep you safe.

by **darinesto** » Sat Aug 07, 2004 2:24 am

Kim.. the last test I had was normal. I just want to keep it that way. I'm drinking plenty so think I'll be OK. I'm also going slow on SB..I don't care how long it takes just so I see some progress.

by **kerux** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 12:07 pm

I am taking medicine for high blood pressure, and have a family history of diabetes, should I start with phase 2?

by **tddudle** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 1:15 pm

Mike,

You should check with you Dr. He may tell you to make sure you have a certain amount of carbs or tell you to start in Phase 2. You will have to make sure you are drinking enough non caffeinated drinks.

by **audreyh1** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 2:32 pm

Darinesto - I started in Phase 2, and I think I started with eating about 2 servings of grains and 2 of fruit each day. I lost at the rate of 1 pound per week - a rate I was thrilled with.

Don't try to maximize your weight loss rate, because whereas 1 pound per week is very doable for most people, 2 pounds per week is not nearly as easy to achieve.

Be delighted with 1 pound per week rate, eat your good carbs, and relax and enjoy the journey. You may encounter some stalls along the way - they are very normal. What's the hurry if you are getting healthier every day?

Audrey

by **taterpatch** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 2:27 am

Ok-I started SBD yesterday and am wondering what the advantages of starting with phase 2 are. I want relatively quick results-I weigh 190 now and would love to be at 135 by this summer. I am 41 years old.

by **DiamondSpark** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 8:21 pm

I'd like to add my personal experience with ketosis. I went on the Atkins diet, which causes ketosis, for a week, then I had a seizure! I was then diagnosed with a seizure disorder for which I take lots of medicine. This does not mean that you too will get a seizure if you go on an Atkins-style diet. It means you should be careful to eat enough good carbs because ketosis is a huge shock to your body.

by **audreyh1** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 10:52 pm

taterpatch wrote:Ok-I started SBD yesterday and am wondering what the advantages of starting with phase 2 are. I want relatively quick results-I weigh 190 now and would love to be at 135 by this summer. I am 41 years old.

Well, one of the advantages of starting in Phase 2 is that you can easily keep up your exercise program and you don't suffer from headaches or sluggishness or fatigue that a lot of people experience in Phase 1.

Relatively quick results - you really have to be satisfied with 1-2 pounds loss per week in Phase 2. Phase 1 may offer a "quick start" for some, but then after 2 weeks you are back to the 1-2 pounds per week weight loss rate - which is a healthy rate. I do not recommend trying to speed up weight loss - it's a fool's game IMO. People who try to lose too fast often get frustrated and give up. Focus on the goal and not the timeline.

I doubt you gained the 55 pounds in less than 6 months, so expecting it to come off that quickly is unrealistic. So what if it takes longer? Your health is so important, why rush it?

Audrey

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