Anyone starting (or re-starting) P1 May26?

[Kimboroni]

This is a discussion board, so some discussion on any topic that comes up is to be expected.

It sounds like you understand what is a good vs. bad carb, and what we should include in p1. But to the general layperson, using phrases like low carb diet and starving your body of carbs will make them put down a can of beans, thinking it has too many carbs to be a good choice. So we have to make sure people don't get confused and stop eating carbs altogether.

[atlmom1155]

Magna-
You seem to want links so I will provide some of them. But from here on out if you really want to know more then do feel free to do more research. It would be easier for both of us if my textbooks were available online, but if they did that then they couldn't sell them to the students at $250 a pop. But this is a little "food for thought" haha!

per your usda link:
An RDA is the average daily dietary intake level sufficient to meet nutrient requirements of nearly all healthy individuals in a group. It is calculated from an Estimated Average Requirement.

Definition of EAR:
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictio ... equirement

This PDF is from the European Food Safety Authority that discusses the need for 130g of carbs for proper brain function:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... _8SXr9AYOQ

This is from the US National Library of medicine that explain the difference between non-glycaemic carbohydrates and
glycaemic carbohydrates:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16115326

just an FYI, generally speaking- "fiber" is what non-glycaemic carbs are high in. The "fiber" is the non digestible part of the food that provides other functions in our large intestine.

My link from before at Mayo clinic described what a non-dieting person would eat regarding carbs. But yeah, if a person was consuming fewer calories then yes, that number would go down because the number provided was based on a non-reduction diet of 2000 calories. The truth is you can lose weight by simply reducing calorie intake too. So theoretically you could have double your current carbs (250 grams of carbs) and still lose weight because glycaemic carbs are 4 calories a gram= 1000 calories. The minimum calorie recommended to lose weight healthily is 1200 calories. Meaning no one should consume less than that because it is dangerous. So if you took the minimum calorie needs of the most drastic reduction of calories a person should attempt to lose weight healthily then took the minimum percentage of those calories at the 45% level then that results in 540 calories from carbs which equals 135g of carbs. This calculation shows that a healthy reduction diet minimum level needed of carb grams to be right about were SB is. Although this diet doesn't require calorie counting, or carb counting, that doesn't mean there hasn't been a reduction of them. There in fact HAS been a reduction in those numbers, whether we count them or not. That's just the way reduction diets work. You have to be deficient in weight maintenance food intake in order to lose weight. As I explained before though, the low and slow carb supply of the Phase1 portion of the SB diet is what promotes the rapid fat burn and loss of belly fat. Phase1 meets the required amount of carbs for proper body maintenance, and nothing more. It's as low on the carb scale as one should go to maintain a healthy body function. Going lower compromises a person's health. It's my personal opinion that when a person isn't at an average but rather they are only meeting a minimum standard then that would be a low amount. Being that it isn't high and it isn't average, thus I describe it as low. So thus, I would describe Phase 1 as low carb. It's not stupidly or dangerously low, but in my book it's low since by default it can't be slotted in the other 2 levels. I hope this post now adequately explains why I would categorize Phase1 SB diet as low carb.

[Magna]

To be clear, it doesn't matter to me what you call SBD for your own purposes. If you want to think of it as low-carb, that's OK with me. My concern is that it's confusing to tell other people that it's low-carb when it's not low-carb as that term is commonly used. As Kimboroni mentioned, it might confuse people into thinking they should eat a low-carb menu, or be concerned about how many carbs are in their food. Btw, people commonly do post questions about those things, so it's not an imaginary danger.

Edit: Here are some posts as examples.
Someone was worried that she might have eaten too much spaghetti squash:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=100697
Someone was worried that beans might have too many carbs:
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=57503
Someone was worried that milk was too high in carbs:
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=74009

[Kimboroni]

I've been at this message board since 2004. Magna has been here since 2008. That's a long history of experience here seeing the kinds of questions that people ask and the kinds of misconceptions about SB that people have. To the general public, due to the popularity of plans like Atkins, "low carb" usually means counting carbs and staying under 20g of "net carbs" per day, and eating things like pork rinds. Those are the kind of misconceptions that we try to head off at the pass, both for the good of SB and for the good of the readers of this message board.

[karensue]

It sounds like everyone is doing well I need to watch my nut servings but other than that I am doing okay, still having cravings I know they will go away soon!
Does anyone use myfitness pal to track cals? Find me if you do Agentventi is my user name. I could use some more SB plan ideas:)
Has anyone make the cin muffins with white beans yet? I am thinking about trying them this week for breakfast, so sick of eggs!!

[atlmom1155]

People are going to have misconceptions and obsess about their diets and make poor choices no matter what I say, obviously, since this is something that happens repeatedly before I ever came here. It won't be my fault if someone does it again. Pop culture ideas of what "low carb" means doesn't mean we should cater to that ignorance. I think it would be better to educate people about how important it is that they maintain the diet as it is written out and not skip or reduce it any lower. Perhaps telling people that Phase 1 has "plenty" of carbs and therefore leading people to think they can skip them without harm is also dangerous.

[buttbegone]

Sounds like eveyones been doing their research. I did a 20mi trainging run today and ended up not feeling well and light headed afterwards so I did have a brown rice english muffin. Although i cheated i still plan to P1 hopefully no more long runs until I get into P2. I really fell i need something when doing these higher miles. Any ideas for a good carb pre/post long run. Max- I use Lemon flaxseed oil. It really livens it up!

[thelawwon]

Hey Karensue! I just inputted mine on myfitnesspal-come find me! I can't figure out how to add friends there...so sad

[Kimboroni]

People are going to have misconceptions and obsess about their diets and make poor choices no matter what I say, obviously, since this is something that happens repeatedly before I ever came here. It won't be my fault if someone does it again. Pop culture ideas of what "low carb" means doesn't mean we should cater to that ignorance. I think it would be better to educate people about how important it is that they maintain the diet as it is written out and not skip or reduce it any lower. Perhaps telling people that Phase 1 has "plenty" of carbs and therefore leading people to think they can skip them without harm is also dangerous.

We definitely try to do our part in setting misconceptions straight and educating people who post and read here.

[atlmom1155]

Sounds like eveyones been doing their research. I did a 20mi trainging run today and ended up not feeling well and light headed afterwards so I did have a brown rice english muffin. Although i cheated i still plan to P1 hopefully no more long runs until I get into P2. I really fell i need something when doing these higher miles. Any ideas for a good carb pre/post long run. Max- I use Lemon flaxseed oil. It really livens it up!

You ran 20 miles? I bet you didn't feel well!! If you are going to be training hard physically and being that active then I really don't think Phase 1 is the place for you. You should move on to Phase 2 or maybe even Phase 3. That kind of training is using a great deal of calories and if you create a huge deficit like over a couple of weeks your body goes into "starvation" mode. This is how the hunter/gatherer protected itself during times of famine. What happens then is that your body is going to start to become resistant to losing weight because it is going to try to conserve as much fat as it can to sustain it during extended hunger periods. You need much more carbs and calories if training like this.

[MaxBerlin]

Hello Everyone, well another day has ended and I am so thankful.
Dont worry too much Buttbegone about eatting the muffin. Everyone occassionally falls off the wagon. It's not as if you ate a massive chocolate gatueax or anything like that. I have never heard of Lemon Flaxseed oil. I will have a look in the health food store. I usually just sprinkle the seeds.
the lawone you seem to be doing really well.
atlmom1155 sorry for the confusion, no only hoping to do Phase 1 for two weeks and tomorrow will be the last day of the first week, yippe. That belly of mine definately needs reduction big time:D All my skirts are so tight and I refuse to buy the next size up.
Not sure whether I should weigh myself on Sunday or the following Sunday? Probably wait until the following week.

DAY 6
Breakfast
FF greek youghurt with cinnamom and flaxseeds

Lunch:
tomatoes, onions, bean sprouts and snow peas
skinny cappincino

Snacks
pine nuts and oven dried salted chick peas

[atlmom1155]

super yummy beans that would be good with breakfast eggs or other mexican inspired dishes or as a bean dip. I think it would be great with slices of yellow and red bell pepper!

1 can drained red kidney beans
1 undrained can rotel

put in blender and mix. Basically it tastes like refried beans/bean dip. It is very tasty and easy way to get those beans in!

[buttbegone]

What is rotel I hear everyone talking about?!?! Alt mom- I do agree that my body needs more carbs during those long days pre post. I am mainly doing this as a good way to kick the sugars and become more aware of what I'm eating. I am already feeling healthier and I may move to p2 soon. I think of p1 as a good way to clean out the fridge reset you diet!

[Magna]

Ro-tel is a brand of canned tomatoes and peppers. It's available in most supermarkets.

Here's the product website, with illustrations of what the cans look like:
http://www.ro-tel.com/Diced-Tomatoes-Pr ... nd-Chilies

[MaxBerlin]

Greetings Everyone
Hope you are all well. Woke up so late today that I missed breakast and lunch was just around the corner. Thankfully it's the weekend
DAY 7
BRUNCH
mixed lettuce, tomatoes, lemon juice, olives, parsley, dill, avacado, feta cheese and pinenuts

Snack
Mixed nuts and skinny cappacino

Dinner
Oven packed Fish and garden salad

Drank 8 glasses of water, yippee!

Have a great weekend everyone. Really like some of the meals people are having, very inspiring.