Mind, body and spirit group

[Leigha]

Good evening Ch!!

The practioner's course must be wonderful!!! I'm doing a Feng Shui Practioner's course at the moment myself. I love alternative therapies- there are SOOOO many of them- it boggles the mind and I'm always wanting to study more and more....In fact I've been courses on and off since I left high school 16 years ago!! My friends think I'm mad- but knowledge is a priceless gift I believe.

I've never worked with Kyanite myself. (In fact I'd better check it out in my book!)

I'll do your reading ASAP and I'd love one too- you just let me know which one you enjoy giving the most- thanks!!

xxx
Leigh

[ch34]

Hello Leigha,

Somehow missed your post last night

I am enjoying the crystal course immensely. I've also been studying for years....I feel alive when I'm learning something. I've studied with the Open University and over the last 4 years took 2 courses to train as an Adult Education tutor/trainer. Last year I started 2 courses on esoteric subjects the crystal and a psychic development course...which is really spiritual growth. It's the first time I've taken any esoteric courses as I've always read and discovered things for myself but I really felt the need to connect with other people. It has been wonderful and interesting on so many levels.

The crystal, development and Reiki are all for me....to balance and heal me. I also meditate but not enough - meditation is incredible. Family circumstances over the last 2 years have forced me to really look after myself after being drained completely and stressed to a level I didn't know existed! Bumbling along wasn't working anymore.

I'm contracted to teach tarot at one of my colleges....just finalising numbers for the January course. It will be the first time I've taught tarot to a group as I've always done one to one or mentoring beginners. I'm very much looking forward to it as teaching IT, although enjoyable, needed something to balance it.

I'll happily do a reading for you....do you have a particular subject or question that you'd like to look at?

On the SB front...I'm doing OK....I snuck a look at the scales and lost...I know I shouldn't but you know what it's like!

Need to drink more water though! I'm sure my headache last night could have been lessened if I had drunk my quota.

[ch34]

Missed a couple of points. My brain isn't working too well today

Feng Shui?? Fascinating! I do have a citrine in my wealth corner. will you be using Feng Shui with your design? Is design an interest or a business or both? Loads of questions

I discovered Kyanite by accident. We were learning a little about the crystal systems and had to build each shape with crystal and sit inside. Each shape felt different but we were using clear quartz and it can jar with me sometimes. Our teacher suggested using a different crystal and this bag of (what I thought) very ugly kyanite was sitting there. We were using the book I suggested for Papabanucci "Crystal Power, Crystal Healing" and built one of the crystal system shapes with the Kyanite and myself and another course participant couldn't leave it....it was the most safest, calming space I'd ever been in. I bought some kyanite immediately and then later a necklace which I am now wearing again today. It's definitely my crystal....even though it is used in car spark plugs!!

[PapaBanucci]

Papabanucci have you held a crystal and felt the buzzing or energy in it?

Holding or wearing a particular crystal will make me feel a certain way....kyanite is wonderful for me and I discovered it by accident.
For others it will feel like a stone!

Labradorite is just beautiful and I now have it on my coffee table....it will
act as a focus and remind me of my goal.

If you want to get into the science of how, why or if crystals work...well I
can't explain something I'm still learning but if you experienced it for
yourself you'd get that at the very basic level the crystals have energy
and can ground, excite, calm, bring tuff up, warm, cool...etc dependant
on the crystal. Try popping a Hematite under your chair and see what
happens.

Crystals grow in specific shapes (internally) known as systems there's a
great book by a German guy who look at the science of crystal healing.
The synopsis says "This unique book examines the basic scientific
principles underpinning the fascinating art of crystal healing"
http://www.amazon.com/Crystal-Power-Hea ... F8&s=books

Here's a good non-esoteric article http://www.cis.yale.edu/ynhti/pubs/A5/vanwagner.html

Hi PapaB-

Crystals can be used in different ways-

Worn on the body, used on specific points during meditation, used to make a gem elixir, carried around with you in your pocket....I have been working with them for the past 15 years and it's a never-ending learning process!!

A couple of sites to get you started:
http://www.rainbowcrystal.com/crystal/crystala.html
http://www.astrologyzine.com/crystal-3.shtml
http://www.crystalinks.com/crystal_healing.html

Leigh

Thanks for the replies. I reviewed those links.

I've spent a lot of time and energy in the last two plus years learning about nutrition, carbs, protein, fats, supplements, antioxidant, glycemic index, glycemic load, calories, metabolism, exercise, lactic heart rate, etc.

It's been a lot of work to say the least but I'm no longer the average run-of-the-mill, muffin-topped, middle-aged dad I used to be and am now one of the healthiest eaters, in the best shape of my life, almost to the point of being a bit extreme in my active lifestyle.

Anyhow, some of those links and some other things I Googled on my own had some rather, IMHO, extraordinary claims. Maybe I'm just a simple guy but one of the truisms I've heard along the way is that "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

Anyhow, I wouldn't at all mind some "short cuts" into the amount of time and effort I put into all of this.

And if crystal do all these things these sites say, OMG, this is a HUGE deal.

Could you point me to some links that demonstrate some sort of scientific evidence of how the crystals specifically do this stuff? Especially for weight loss? Something like a double-blind trial or study (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-blind)?

Thanks.

[ch34]

Papa I think you are misunderstanding our interest and work with crystals if there were shortcuts we wouldn't be here. Nutritrition is the key as well as exercise.

I don't believe outlandish claims, I do what works best for me as should everyone.

I wish you well but can't help you on your mission. I would recommend that book though if you are truly interested in the science.

[PapaBanucci]

But how do you know their efficacy?

[Leigha]

THOUGHT FOR THE DAY:
You must be the change you want to see in the world.
Mahatma Gandhi

[Leigha]

Hi CH

Here's your reading-(no joke- this card LITERALLY fell out the pack for you.) I asked if there's a message for you and it said-

THE ANGELS URGE YOU TO CARE FOR YOUR PHYSICAL BODY. YOU ARE ASKED TO EAT HEALTHFUL FOODS, TO EXERCISE REGULARLY AND TO AVOID TOXINS.
Your angels are asking you to pay attention to your body. Perhaps your resist this guidance, and the angels have repeadedly come to you about this topic. They remind you that the body is an instrument that, when well tuned emanates greater harmony. Your spirit is like the music of a grand piano, and the angels ask you to maintain that piano.Your angels know that if you follow this guidance, you WILL feel terrific. Your increased energy and happiness is your reward for following your angels' suggestions. They will help you find the time and motivation to exercise. They will also help you lose your cravings for unhealthful substances. And, the angels will help you enjoy the newfound pleasures that come from purifying and maintaining your physical body.


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FABULOUS that you're going to be teaching Tarot!! What pack do you work with mostly? I'd appreciate any reading at all, perhaps something general?

I'm a fashion designer by profession as well as an interior designer, and I'm very much hoping to intergrate the Feng Shui into the Interior design.

I bought a couple of new tumblestones today-
black tourmaline, serpentine, sodalite, rhononite, blue agate, amber and unakite. Can't wait to experiement with them! Oooh- I read up on kyanite! beautiful stone. My book says it also helps to release excess weight!

It also seems we're both teachers!! I work from home teaching English as a foreign language.

Have a groovy Friday CH!

xxx
Leigh

[Leigha]

Hi PapaB

I'm with CH on this. My interest is spiritual rather than scientific and I've found that crystals are LIVING beings that like to connect to a person and form a 'relationship'. They're not a means to an end. I wouldn't know abhout scientific proof, because I'm sure if there was, crystals would be A LOT more popular. (But sometimes, just because we don't understand something, or don't understand how it could possibly work, doesn't mean it's not true or that it doesn't work.)

Getting hold of a whole bunch of stones that aid weight loss is NOT going to make 10 pounds disappear overnight. They help one make changes psychologically, emotionally and spiritually (etc..)- which in turn lead to weight loss.

Does this make sense?
xxx
Leigh

[Lynt]

and have nothing to offer on that score.

We all know that alternative therapies are adjunctive, not the whole ballgame. Humans are physical, emotional, spiritual beings however, and holistic health strives to meet the needs of all those facets and treat the whole person.

Reiki has had control studies done within the medical field however..as an adjunctive therapy along with (not instead of) standard medical practice. It was found that Reiki treatments enhanced pain control in cancer patients, among other things. The Norris Cotton Cancer Center at Dartmouth Hitchcock Medical Center offers Reiki services and training to cancer patients as a support service. Other hospitals do too, including the one I recently retired from. Our documentation over a five year period supports the premise that less medication is required for pain control when Reiki treatments are added to the regime. This can be a good thing, when a patient wants badly to be comfortable, but alert enough to spend quality time with family and friends.

[PapaBanucci]

Hi PapaB

I'm with CH on this. My interest is spiritual rather than scientific and I've found that crystals are LIVING beings that like to connect to a person and form a 'relationship'. They're not a means to an end. I wouldn't know abhout scientific proof, because I'm sure if there was, crystals would be A LOT more popular. (But sometimes, just because we don't understand something, or don't understand how it could possibly work, doesn't mean it's not true or that it doesn't work.)

How do you sort out what works with great repeatable results vs. what works with minimal repeatable results vs. what works with minimal predictability vs. what really doesn't have any effect vs. what might actually be harmful?

Getting hold of a whole bunch of stones that aid weight loss is NOT going to make 10 pounds disappear overnight. They help one make changes psychologically, emotionally and spiritually (etc..)- which in turn lead to weight loss.

Does this make sense?
xxx
Leigh

Sorta.

So how do you think exactly that stones aid in weight loss?

[Leigha]

Lyn-
Do you practice Reiki at all?

PapaB-
As with most things in life, through trial and error- you've got to find what works for you. Not everyone's the same. You might respond to one type of stone, whereas you might not 'click' with another. It's a very personal thing. perhpas Ch can explain some more.

As for HOW they work, I'll give you an example...
I adore clear quartz and when I work with it, or wear it my mind feels a lot clearer, which in turn affects other aspects of my life.... I would therefotre perhaps THINK a little more clearly before eating that chocolate, which would benefit my weight loss attempts....

[carlvinc]

Greetings everyone..... This forum is great....... I have always feel attraction to all these thems but I have never had the discipline and dedication to go deeper....... further!!!!

It has been very interesting reading all your posts...... I knew now that been part of this forum is not a casualty!!!!......

[PapaBanucci]

PapaB-
As with most things in life, through trial and error- you've got to find what works for you. Not everyone's the same. You might respond to one type of stone, whereas you might not 'click' with another. It's a very personal thing. perhpas Ch can explain some more.

On the trial and error, how do you accept the risks associated with that?

There's a lot of stuff I haven't "tried" (various illegal substances come to mind), simply because I've read up on what I sufficiently consider critical study and analysis of their effects.

I, in fact, teach my kids that there are two ways to learn - through "experience" and "example." "Experience" is learning things firsthand yourself. "Example" is learning through the experiences of others. While direct experience seems to be the more powerful teacher, it also often comes at a much higher effort, cost, and consequence. (I don't think in my lifetime I can sufficiently test whether or not every element, mineral, ingredient, dish, or food product will cause me to lose weight.)

If you conduct the trials yourself for yourself...

How do you have enough time to do all of them necessary?

How do you rule out placebo effects?

How do you have sufficient objectivity to know that your own predispositions aren't skewing the findings?

Maybe I'm just lazy and look for shortcuts instead of trialing (lots of time, cost, and effort I fear) and erroring (potential risks if I'm my own Guinea Pig for everything I fear) everything for myself.

[Reignking]

Strangely, this sounds like a discussion about diet pills...

I'm with you, Papa -- before I delve into something, I like to measure, measure again, know how it works and know that it works. Maybe that's why I implore people to read the book before starting SBD.