but i am wondering other's thoughts (other than budboy... thanks) on the casein article.
I thought it was interesting but I feel like I need to read more about it before drawing any conclusions. I would like to read the actual study. The China Diet has been on my "to read" list for a while now so maybe I will pick it up. The milk protein thing is something I keep coming back to in my head because I don't
think milk is necessary or all that healthy for adults. I mean, that seems like common sense. Babies obviously need it (preferably from their mothers of course) but we are the only adult mammles who consume milk products. We do need calcium yes, especially women, but the milk lobby and advertisers are the ones who seem to want us to think that milk is the only good soucre of it. But then on the other hand I love yogurt and cheese and I'm not sure I want to give them up. Need to read/think on it some more. If I could find a soy yogurt and cheese that didn't taste like a** I might have better luck.
Also...Thought it was interesting that 20% protein was thought of as a "high protein" diet. If all of the protein is coming from milk sources that does seem high but it doesn't seem high overall do you think? I mean, higher than 5% yes but I would bet a lot of the meat eaters on this board clock in at a lot more than that. I enter everything I eat into fitday and mine usually comes out to around 20% of calories (from a 1200-1600 calorie a day diet) from protein and I had thought my protein intake was pretty moderate. The majority for me is plant based (lots of soy and nuts). The only significant daily sources of animal protein for me are yogurt and eggs as I don't eat a lot of cheese and I don't drink milk (and I do think of yogurt as a protein even though SB does not. I don't get that either. But I usually add flax or almonds to make it more filling) . Anyway, the averages for me seem to be 50% of calories from carbs, 50% split between fat and protein with the range varying slightly depending on the day. but 30% fat, 20% protein is pretty typical.
I do think that most americans emphasize protein, especially animal protein a lot more than is needed. There are a lot of plant protein sources that seem to get ignored, including some grains which are naturally high in protein. When people talk about the typical 1 protein, 1 starch, 1 vegetable meal they are almost always talking about meat as the protein source. I remember sitting down to eat a a salad with beans and sunflower seeds for lunch when I was at work and this guy I was sitting with was like, don't you worry that your meals don't have protein. I pointed out the beans and nuts and said, I do have protein, and he was like, well that isn't "high quality" protein. Um, okay? And I'm sure your mystery meat fast food burger is "high quality". Whatever.
But, since I have started emphasising adding more protein in general, especially soy, I am not hungry all the time the way I used to be pre-south beach.
Gosh, that was a long winded rambling answer wasn't it. Sorry. Just been thinking about this stuff a lot lately and feeling like I need to find some more good stuff to read about nutrition that ins't influenced by various food lobbies, interest groups or the hardcore vegan contingent (no offense to the vegans here. just find some of that stuff as biased as the info on the other side) I just want some facts and hard research without all the special interest interpretation. If anyone has recommendations for futher reading I would love to hear them.