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Advice on Transitioning to Phase 2

Postby RedRox » Thu Jan 13, 2005 1:06 pm

Based on some things I had read lately and been thinking about, I decided to enlist the aide of oldpjams and revise and reorganize this post. The intro is all his and we both edited the remainder. I also decided to move all the links to the bottom and would continue to suggest that those also provide valuable reading on this topic.

Thanks as always to oldpjams for his suggestions, edits, improvements and for all the positive things he does here!

Good luck and Happy Transitioning!!


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Welcome to Phase 2 (P2) of the South Beach Diet! You are about to embark on the most important and exciting part of SBD -- losing fat at a healthy pace while maintaining good nutrition AND learning how to plan and execute a healthy menu for long-term success.

Hopefully after the past two weeks on P1 you have eliminated your cravings for simple carbohydrates. You may also have been fortunate to notice some weight loss as well. Some of this weight may have been fat; much of the weight was likely water.

This is because your diet over the past two weeks has not included grains and has been somewhat low on carbohydrates. This has depleted your glycogen stores.

Carbohydrates from fruit, bread, pasta, etc are converted into glucose (blood sugar) by your body and used for energy throughout the day. Glucose that is not used right away is stored by your body in your liver and muscle tissue in the form of glycogen. Several pounds of water are stored along with the glycogen. As you have depleted your glycogen stores, your body has released the associated water weight.

As you enter P2 and reintroduce carbs you may notice a slight jump in weight as your body replenishes its glycogen stores and some of the associated water. This is healthy and natural. It is NOT a sign that you are doing anything wrong by transitioning to P2!

Some advice on the transition from P1 to P2:

1. Do not follow the menu plans for P2 in the blue book at the very beginning of P2! The book suggests too many grains and carbs too quickly and is a prescription for undoing much of the progress you have had to date. The menus represent what your diet will look like 6-8 weeks into P2.


2. Pay attention to what you are eating and how you react to things along the way. It is more important to pay attention to how you feel (your appetite, your energy level) than what the scale says on a daily basis. Did having oatmeal leave you famished an hour later? Did a banana leave you craving sweets? If so, do not panic! This is the LEARNING phase of how you will structure the general guidelines to fit YOUR specific metabolism and food sensibilities. We are all different, so what works for one, may not work for another. Perhaps oatmeal will be fine for you, but only a small portion on the side, or, maybe your body will accept oatmeal if it is paired with an egg. A grain or fruit that is affecting you in a negative way at breakfast may be fine at lunch or dinner -- or spread throughout the day in smaller portions.

SBD is not a cookie-cutter way of eating. My personal belief is that the guidelines were intentionally left vague to force us to go through this process for ourselves. Also many people seem to uncover food sensitivities and allergies that they may not have known they had prior to adopting the SB dietary program. So pay attention and be prepared for perhaps a variety of discoveries about yourself, the foods you eat and your overall relationship with food.


3. Expect mistakes. The good news is that this is often how we learn the best. The first month or two of P2 is largely a trial and error process and YOU are the lab rat! It is not called a trial and success process! Don't beat yourself up if you stall or even gain some weight back. If you are in it for the long haul as a lifestyle change it will work over the long term. Expect some speed bumps along the way. Weight loss is NOT a linear process!! (Also, some suggest charting your progress so you can see longer term general trend lines even when you are in the middle of zig or the dreaded zags!) Missteps are healthy, and what you do following a mistake is far more important than the mistake itself.


4. Don't be afraid to move into Phase 2. In fact we had a very good mult-page discussion on how common this fear is and why we have to overcome it to be healthy and successful. Try to avoid what I call the "P1 spin cycle" where you find reasons to keep starting over on P1, to avoid going into P2. It is not healthy for you and P1 was never intended by Dr. A to be a sustainable dietary program. That is what P2 is for! I've included a link to our earlier discussion at the bottom of this post, although I am going to extract some of it here as well. I encourage a reading of the entire thread, "Anyone Else Scared to Leave P1?", as there were a lot of worthy contributions from many posters.

OK dude, so what should I do? Here are excerpts from the official SBD website that were publicly available, so I don't think I'm violating any trade secrets, copyrights, or information on the paid site that isn't freely available.

The following excerpt is from a Daily Dish (the official site's free newsletter) on starting P2:

The SBD Daily Dish wrote:Day One of Phase 2

So you've made it successfully through Phase 1--now what? Proceed with caution as you begin Phase 2. Moving too quickly can cause cravings to return or weight loss to stall. Here are some tips on how to reintroduce carbs.

Start Small: Choose one carbohydrate--like a piece of fruit or a slice of whole-grain bread--and add it to one daily meal for one week. If after one week you're still losing weight and are free of cravings, then you can move on and begin adding more carbs. If your progress stalls, try a new carb until you find one that works.

Start With Something You've Missed: Dieters typically complain about missing their breakfast cereals the most when beginning The South Beach Diet (TM). If your cereal means a lot to you, try reintroducing that first, but make sure it's made with whole grains.

Expect Changes: The rapid weight loss associated with Phase 1 will not and should not continue into Phase 2. One to two pounds of weight loss per week is a healthy and achievable goal once you begin adding carbs back into your diet.


You can try introducing new items faster or slower depending on how you are reacting. The one a week process is simply a guideline. Like most things about the SBD, the actual implementation process is entirely up to you and what you are comfortable with.


5. I tend to view the transition as a continuum, not a demarcation line. I see it as kind of moving to P1.25, then P1.5, then P1.75 and eventually into a full fledged P2 at whatever level of added grains and carbs in whatever source and configuration and at whatever times of day WORKS FOR YOU! (This is just my terminology to try and describe the process as I see it and not anything you will find in the book.) All of these things will vary by person and need to be discovered and revealed by each person about themselves along the way. We'll be here to support you, but realize that advice that worked for anyone of us might not work for you. You need to "own" your own program. We can't figure it out for you. You are the greatest resource you have in being successful. You may also be your own greatest detriment.


6. If and when you read through the "Anyone Else Scared to Leave P1?" thread linked at the bottom of this post, be sure to read the post by berkgal33 on the first page with a Q&A conversation with Dr. Agatston on this subject. I used to have berkgal33's post in here, but have removed it in favor of streamlining this already lengthy post since it can be read if you take the time to go to the links.


7. Expect some plateaus and stalls, sometimes quite lengthy (6-8 weeks is not uncommon) along the way, likely even fairly early on as your body adapts to yet another change in your dietary intake. You may in fact "be doing everything right", but just not seeing any immediate results. These can be particularly difficult days of the SB program in my experience and it is easy to question yourself, the program, and often both at the same time! Find other sources of what qualifies as "success" and remember how far you have already come, and maybe not stress how far you still might have to go. You may just have to have some faith and trust in the whole thing that it will work out in the long term. Focus on your overall health instead of just the scale or whatever you can do to keep moving forward. Stay involved in the forum. There have been numerous people who felt that when they strayed from the forum, they strayed from the program.

8. Enjoy life! Eating a SB way of life isn't a death sentence, it is a LIFE sentence! Embrace it and find a way to make it work for you! You CAN do this!! Many Phase 3 SBDers have noted that P3 is not all that different than Phase 2 -- they eat almost the same menu but perhaps allow themselves to use real sugar in moderation or perhaps they indulge in real deserts or a favorite meal somewhat more frequently. For this reason it’s not inaccurate to say that Phase 2 is at times somewhat like P3! Because this is a "WOE" and P2 may be quite long for some SBDers, it is very important to understand that "life happens" and you will, on occasion, find yourself eating an off-plan meal or a slice of birthday cake. Enjoy! Do not berate yourself, and most importantly, DO NOT GO BACK TO PHASE 1! Get back on track with a healthy P2 diet, continue to exercise, and move FORWARD. P1 should only be revisited if your cravings have returned or you’ve been off of P2 for a long time.

Good luck to all as you undertake the transition! And as always. feel free to post any other experiences or advice I may have missed along the way!!

Edited to renumber in a consistent manner. Posts below that referred to the old numbers may no longer make sense relative to the new numbers. I apologize for the confusion.

Re-edited to make a sticky and to put the link behind a title.

Re-edited again on 2006-03-21 to include intro and edits from oldpjams and to reorganize a bit more and add some additional relevant links contained below.

Thanks again to oldpjams for his edits and additions!


Links to additional threads on this and related topics:

Anyone Else Scared to Leave P1? by Caterpillar
Phase 2 FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) by Kimboroni
Craving vs. Hunger by snotzalot
Those doubters of phase II transaction by nascar24fan
Phase 1 IS NOT the weight loss phase by Ph.D. 2 B

Good luck on your transition and your lifelong journey.
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Postby LOWCARBnBARB » Fri Jan 14, 2005 3:19 am

I am one of the New Year's Day South Beachers. I'm just completing Ph1 and here's my concerns. I have struggled with my weight my entire life (I'm 38, almost 39) and aside from my sweet tooth (major bad) I know that dairy and grains pack the weight on me so easing back into the carbs is a bit scary, esp. if I've done well in Phase one. I will be starting phase 2 on Saturday morning and will weigh in for the first time.

I'm not a breakfast person OR a breakfast cereal person except for the occasional Quaker Instant Oatmeal which I understand is not permitted so I am looking for suggestions for carbs that others started introducing early in phase 2. One thing I like is rice (once in a while). I'm not keen on sandwich bread and I'm not a potato person, so what might I start with? I *LOVE* pasta but I'm afraid that might get me into trouble. Any ideas or reassurances?

My breakfasts all my life have been more like lunch in the sense that I would eat lunch style foods instead of cereal ie. a cold cut sandwich and glass of juice would be a typical breakfast for me.

I did see some interesting flatbread at the grocery. It was this superthin toasted flatbread that is coated in herbs. I like things that are very *tasty*, *zesty* or *spicy* if you know what I mean. That's likely why I'm not keen on potato or fries or hashbrowns because unless you slother it in butter and sour cream, it just doesn't have a lot of flavor.

I don't mind a waffle or small pancake once in a blue moon but don't know if either are ok.

This is the one thing I like about SB is that I don't really miss the carbs all that much so now I don't know what to do now that I'll soon be allowed to bring some back in. I need all the help I can get. I don't cook, never have and now just sitting here I'm drawing a blank at the kinds of carbs I can have in the grain department.

I have missed fruit a bit esp. since I've had this dang wicked sore throat for almost 2 weeks with no sign of it going away. My fave are grapes, apple and oranges or clemintines and melon. I also love applesauce but I'm assuming that that's not permitted if it has added sugar beyond the natural fructose in the apples. Correct?

And how do the carb'y veggies fit into phase 2? Can you now have a serving of say, Lima beans? LOVE LIMA BEANS! And what else if it's permitted?

I'll have to go back and review the Phase 2 food list, maybe even print it out (crappy memory).

Thanks for any help you can offer and any specific food items that might come to mind when you read my likes and dislikes.

Thanks so much.

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Postby audreyh1 » Fri Jan 14, 2005 3:30 am

Well the very best grains are oats and barley. Why? they are lowest GI because they contain lots of soluble fiber which slows digestion. The other grains like wheat and rice only have insoluble fiber so they digest more quickly than oats and barley.

So get re-aquainted with oats, but this time use the Quacker "Old-fashioned" rolled oats kind of oatmeal. It's 5 mins cooking - that's not too bad. You might find that you like it much better than the instant. Add nuts, even some dried fruit maybe. Have milk with it for protein.

Many of us love Steel-cut Oats, but they might be hard to find. They are much slower cooking - like 30 mins - very hearty and delicious (once you develop a taste for chewy whole grains).

Barley is a great grain too - it can be cooked like any rice dish - as risotto, pilaf, etc. It's awesome in soups. Your regular pearled barley is fine for SB as it contains plenty of fiber.

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Postby tennie » Fri Jan 14, 2005 3:44 am

I also love applesauce but I'm assuming that that's not permitted if it has added sugar beyond the natural fructose in the apples. Correct?


There is applesauce with no added sugar.
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Postby LOWCARBnBARB » Fri Jan 14, 2005 4:08 am

Yes, I see the no sugar added applesauce once in a while but not always. I'll just have to keep my eyes peeled for it.

Is there such as thing as artificial "Brown Sugar"?

Where are you guys getting all these S/F flavoured syrups? I can't find them anywhere. Did find a S/F chocolate syrup in the diatetic section of the Walmart pharmacy but that's all i could find. All other flavoured syrups were pure sugar. Also where you do find Atkins products. I've never seen them here in Ontario.

Audrey.. thank you for the tip on the oatmeal. I do have "rolled oats" that I make oatmeal cookies with, is that the same thing? I'm a total dolt in the kitchen so how do I cook them? In a saucepan and with how much water? Or in the microwave? Sorry :?

I think the oatmeal sounds best bet for me to start with. Is there a restriction on serving? And if so, is it a wet or dry measurement and how much? Oatmeal with some minced apple, a dash of cinamon and some sugar substitute sounds nice and filling. I'm still scared though. :(

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Postby Fitmom » Fri Jan 14, 2005 4:34 am

Hey Barb, if you like spicy, one quick thing I make for breakfast or even a snack or "side" sometimes (I've been in P2 for several months) is 1/2 a WW pita pocket with lf pepper jack cheese tucked inside and then toasted. The pita gets a bit crunchy and the cheese is all gooey inside - yum! This would give you a "spicy" sandwich and it would make a good breakfast. If you like V8, I would have that with it for a veggie serving.

I think a deli sandwich for breakfast is fine in P2, but start with just 1 pc of WW bread or 1/2 pita to start. Add turkey or lean ham, lf cheese and lettuce for your veggie.

Incidentally, I have had no problems adding cereals or breads back in, but I did start with just 1 serving per day (now up to 3). But, I am still a bit unsure about oatmeal, as it sits "heavy" with me so I feel like it's not as good of a choice - for me. But no actual proof of this. The pitas have been wonderful and I have never stalled by eating them - I fill them with meats, cheese, or salads such as tuna or chix, or even just a lettuce salad inside and maybe some humuus.

Don't be afraid to try things you *thought* you didn't like - your tastes do change along with your new WOE. I always disliked almonds, now I have trouble staying away from them!!

Good luck, you are well-informed so I think you will do great!

And good luck to all the other newbies moving in to P2!
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Postby audreyh1 » Fri Jan 14, 2005 4:45 am

LOWCARBnBARB wrote: I do have "rolled oats" that I make oatmeal cookies with, is that the same thing? I'm a total dolt in the kitchen so how do I cook them? In a saucepan and with how much water? Or in the microwave? Sorry :?

Barb

That should be the same rolled oats.

I think 1/2 cup rolled oats makes a 1 cup serving of oatmeal? Maybe it's smaller - not sure.

I don't have a box with me! so I don't remember the water to oats - maybe it's 2:1 - not sure. Bring the water to boil. Teeny pinch of salt helps. Stir in the oats. Let simmer for 5 mins. Done.

Can someone else refresh my memory please?

I'm sure searches on oatmeal in this forum will bring up some advice - especially on things like microwaving.

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Postby RedRox » Fri Jan 14, 2005 8:07 am

Yes it is a half cup dry of rolled oats (like Quaker old-fashioned oatmeal) that is the recommended serving size. And it is 2 to 1 liquid, so you would use a cup of milk or water. (we tend to use half of each). We cook it in the micro, so don't know about the boiling method. If you do use the micro, use a larger, shallower bowl and watch for boilovers there as well. There have been a lot of good oatmeal threads in the past, some quite lengthy. It is a subject that seems very near and dear to a beachers' heart for some reason!
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Postby LOWCARBnBARB » Fri Jan 14, 2005 1:18 pm

Does anyone have a good recipe for SB appropriate meatloaf? If there is such a thing?
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Postby CelticGem » Fri Jan 14, 2005 3:31 pm

Here is the meatloaf recipe from the book for ya.

Meat Loaf - Phase 2

1 can (6 oz) no salt added tomato paste
1/2 cup dry red wine
1/2 cup water
1 clove garlic, minced
1/2 tsp dried basil leaves
1/4 tsp dried oregano leaves
1/4 tsp salt
16 oz ground turkey breast
1 cup oatmeal
1/4 cup liquid egg substitute
1/2 cup shredded zucchini

Preheat oven to 350 degrees. Combine the tomato paste, wine, water, garlic, basil, oregano and salt in a small saucepan. Bring to a boil then reduce the heat to low. Simmer uncovered for 15 minutes, set aside.
Combine the turkey, oatmeal egg substitute, zucchini and 1/2 cup of the tomato mixture in a large bowl. Mix well. Shape into a loaf and place into an ungreased 8"X4" loaf pan. Bake for 45 minutes. Discard any drippings. Pour 1/2 cup of the remaining tomato mixture over the top of the loaf. Bake for an additional 15 minutes.
Place on a serving platter. Cool for 10 minutes before slicing. Serve the remiaing tomato sauce on the side.

Serves 8
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Postby Kimboroni » Sat Jan 15, 2005 3:14 am

It definitely is confusing. By following Redroxco's advice, you're still following the book, but just not the meal plans yet. In the actual text, Dr A says to add slowly, and he gives an example of how to do that. Then the book contradicts itself (not the only time that it does that) and doesn't show adding slowly in the meal plans.

The yo-yo is just water. If you keep at it, you should start seeing a loss again. I followed the meal plans exactly way back in December 2003 when I switched to p2, and it all worked out just fine. I wasn't weighing myself yet, but by my 6th week (2 weeks in p1 and 4 in p2), I had lost 4" in my waist. I probably did have some water gain when I first started p2, but that was just a little noise that didn't matter long-term.

Adding slowly helps you figure out which foods work best at which times of day, so that really is the recommended route.
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Postby CarolG » Thu Jan 20, 2005 2:57 pm

mookett wrote:...I know about starting P2, ie with one apple etc, but I was wondering about the long term? I have read that you eventually aim for 2-3 servings of fruit OR grain per day (total 2-3 carb servings), but someone else said that you aim for 2-3 servings of fruit AND 2-3 servings of grain per day (total 4-6 carb servings)...which is right?...


AND is correct. You'll eventually build up to 2-3 servings of fruit and 2-3 servings of grain per day. (Don't count carbs!!! :wink: )
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Postby dwonderley » Thu Jan 27, 2005 6:35 pm

redroxco,

Quick question. what are your qualifications ? Are you writing from your own experience and readings, or are you writing from a professional point of view?

No offense intended - just a question

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Postby RedRox » Thu Jan 27, 2005 6:42 pm

Just my own experiences and my impressions from reading a lot of posts from different people here whose opinions and experiences I also tend to value. Didn't mean to imply anything different than that if it seemed I was "qualified" in some way. That is why I tried to include as much source material from the Daily Dishes and the "official" site as possible and usually try very hard to qualify my own opinions as being exactly that. I think everyone should question what anyone posts here and do as much of their own research as necessary to either reach a similar or different conclusion, and that includes any posts I might make as well. Don't believe everything you read and certainly don't believe everything you read on the internet!
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