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P1 calls for us to eat at least 4 1/2 cups of vegetables daily, including at least half a cup at breakfast. I aim for the same in P2. But I'm unable to find anything in the books about quantities of vegetables, or vegetables at breakfast, in P2. I know the standard advice is just to add fruits, grains, and starchy vegetables in addition to the 4 1/2 cups, and still to eat vegetables at breakfast. But is that from a book, or some posting by Dr. A, or somewhere else?
I assume starchy vegetables are OK to count as part of the 4 1/2 cups in P2. I could also see counting fruit as part of that. And I could see omitting the "vegetables at breakfast" requirement in P2, as long as you were eating some other source of carbs like fruit or a grain. I'm just wondering where this is covered.
TIA. :) |
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Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:00 pm |
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| ladybugnessa
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phase 2 is just phase 1 with fruits and grains/starches added.
you don't really take anything away... |
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Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:33 pm |
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| Magna
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ladybugnessa wrote: phase 2 is just phase 1 with fruits and grains/starches added.
you don't really take anything away...
I understand that, but my question is where does it say that? I don't see it specifically covered in any book. Did Dr. A say this in some interview, or is it just implied in the book? Thanks - |
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Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:52 pm |
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| ladybugnessa
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| I do not have my book with me but i believe he starts with In phase 2 you will ADD xxxxx and nowhere does he say REPLACE. I can check it for you later if you like. |
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Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:55 pm |
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| nygirl22
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| I think I understand what you are asking.. and I believe that information was found at the official SB site. There are all kinds of changes (made to the diet) listed there too. I've seen it before. I'll see if I can find it for you. |
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Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:07 pm |
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| Magna
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Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:15 pm |
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| nygirl22
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Okay this might/should help:
http://www.southbeachdiet.com/public/diet-success-stories/south-beach-diet-success-stories.asp?GID=219
the 4-1/2 cups comes from the Meal Plan Guidelines, I believe. Actually there has been some discussion about what you are talking about... it is somewhere in one of the stickies. I remember reading it. There were some vets and others who voiced their opinions... one about getting veggies at breakfast. Some believe it is not ncessary once you are eating grains/fruits for breakfast (b/c you are getting good carbs so you no longer need the veggies at breakfast). BUt it was still agreed that the total 4-1/2 cups per day is important.
Everyone makes their own decisions, though, and I am sure some people think less is okay. But really I don't think it's that much (especially once cooked). |
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Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:15 pm |
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| Magna
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ladybugnessa wrote: I do not have my book with me but i believe he starts with In phase 2 you will ADD xxxxx and nowhere does he say REPLACE. I can check it for you later if you like.
It sounds like it's implied in the book, then. I think it might also be implied that starchy vegetables count just the same as other vegetables. Or, at least peas do, since they're listed as both a starch and a vegetable. I don't know why butternut squash or sweet potatoes wouldn't count too. But that may just be a matter of personal interpretation. And if someone wants to get 4 1/2 cups of vegetables without counting the starchy ones, that would be great, I'm sure.
Thanks for the offer to check - it would be helpful to know. :) |
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Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:16 pm |
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| ladybugnessa
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Magna wrote: ladybugnessa wrote: I do not have my book with me but i believe he starts with In phase 2 you will ADD xxxxx and nowhere does he say REPLACE. I can check it for you later if you like.
It sounds like it's implied in the book, then. I think it might also be implied that starchy vegetables count just the same as other vegetables. Or, at least peas do, since they're listed as both a starch and a vegetable. I don't know why butternut squash or sweet potatoes wouldn't count too. But that may just be a matter of personal interpretation. And if someone wants to get 4 1/2 cups of vegetables without counting the starchy ones, that would be great, I'm sure.
Thanks for the offer to check - it would be helpful to know. :)
peas are specifically listed as starchy veggies and we are told to count it as a grain serving in P2.
the only veggie that is added in P2 that does not count as a grain/starch are carrots. |
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Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:21 pm |
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| oldpjams
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| This starts to sound like religion not diet (lower case "d" diet as in what you consume). |
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Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:24 pm |
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| ladybugnessa
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oldpjams wrote: This starts to sound like religion not diet (lower case "d" diet as in what you consume).
only if you get really precise about it....
i like to help those that find comfort in precision even if I'm not one of them. |
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Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:26 pm |
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| nygirl22
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I remembered where the discussion is that you might want to read. The Meal Plan Guidelines... within that thread, there is discussion about similar things noted here.
http://www.southbeach-diet-plan.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24136 |
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Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:26 pm |
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| oldpjams
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| I tend to think of it from the other angle...if you skip veggies at breakfast and eat until satiated, then you are certainly eating more calories, fat, etc, than if you had included veggies....which, are, you know, good for you. |
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Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:28 pm |
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| nygirl22
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Personally I wouldn't count my starchy veggies as part of the 4-1/2 cups. But to be honest, I don't count my veggies at all. :lol: But like Nessa said, regardless of what I choose to do or she chooses to do or anyone else chooses, I would still say the "correct" answer is 4-1/2 cups does not include starches. But I wouldn't sweat too much about it either.
Once you understand the concept, just do what works for you. 8) |
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Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:30 pm |
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| Magna
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ladybugnessa wrote: peas are specifically listed as starchy veggies and we are told to count it as a grain serving in P2.
the only veggie that is added in P2 that does not count as a grain/starch are carrots.
The book doesn't say whether peas also count as vegetables, though. What I mean is, whether they're limited like any other starch, but still counted as vegetables. If dried peas are limited but count towards the 4 1/2 cups of vegetables (and beans, lentils, etc.), it seems like green peas would also count. I guess this all goes to show Dr. A is not infallible. Or maybe it's all part of a plan for a new edition. ;) |
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