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Well I'm sorry that my being on another diet effects the credibilities of my statements. I was simply trying to expand the knowledge of everybody on this board, by posting about something that very few people know about.
Correct me if I am wrong but the SBD is about what you eat and not how you eat it, except in the broader scale of phases. |
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Fri Apr 18, 2008 3:14 pm |
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Adventure wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong but the SBD is about what you eat and not how you eat it, except in the broader scale of phases.
SBD certainly provides guidelines for food choices, e.g. whole grains, lean proteins, low-no added sugar, etc, along with the underlying principle that you are trying to mitigate swings in bloodsugar...both through food choices and the pairing of foods, and also through regular meals and snacks. Three meals and three or more snacks. In fact, much of the recent science suggests precisely the opposite of what the Warrior Diet proposes...that in fact there is great benefit to spreading your calories evenly throughout the day.
While the theory that we are biologically programmed to eat in the way the Warrior Diet suggests is compelling, at least on the surface, the fact of the matter is that we no longer live like our ancestors. We are cube warriors, or weekend warriors at best. |
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Fri Apr 18, 2008 3:21 pm |
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Adventure wrote: Well I'm sorry that my being on another diet effects the credibilities of my statements. I was simply trying to expand the knowledge of everybody on this board, by posting about something that very few people know about.
Correct me if I am wrong but the SBD is about what you eat and not how you eat it, except in the broader scale of phases.
it's not your choice of diet... it's your length of time living your plan that affects my ability to give you credit for making a permanent lifestyle change.
as for SBD being ONLY about WHAT you eat... if you are researching for your brother then you need to read the book... WHAT you eat is only PART of the deal WHEN you eat is critical too. |
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Fri Apr 18, 2008 3:32 pm |
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oldpjams wrote: Adventure wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong but the SBD is about what you eat and not how you eat it, except in the broader scale of phases.
In fact, much of the recent science suggests precisely the opposite of what the Warrior Diet proposes...that in fact there is great benefit to spreading your calories evenly throughout the day.
While the theory that we are biologically programmed to eat in the way the Warrior Diet suggests is compelling, at least on the surface, the fact of the matter is that we no longer live like our ancestors. We are cube warriors, or weekend warriors at best.
I am curious to see the recent science that you are referencing to. |
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Fri Apr 18, 2008 3:44 pm |
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| Okay so I need 10 posts.... |
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Fri Apr 18, 2008 3:44 pm |
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| ......in order to post links to my research |
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Fri Apr 18, 2008 3:45 pm |
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Alright here are two different studies I found that back up my diet.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9155494&dopt=AbstractPlus
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http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/85/4/981 |
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Fri Apr 18, 2008 3:46 pm |
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| I hope it's something pithy and not what pops up in Google because that stuff was pretty uninspiring. |
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Fri Apr 18, 2008 3:46 pm |
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We cross-posted. The Pub Med study was uninspiring at best.
I particularly enjoyed this:
We conclude that any effects of meal pattern on the regulation of body weight are likely to be mediated through effects on the food intake side of the energy balance equation.
I can't argue with that. I wonder who eats less and stores less? The person that fasts all day and gorges, or the person that eats until satiated throughout the day.
The second piece was more interesting.
Results:Subjects who completed the study maintained their body weight within 2 kg of their initial weight throughout the 6-mo period. There were no significant effects of meal frequency on heart rate, body temperature, or most of the blood variables measured. However, when consuming 1 meal/d, subjects had a significant increase in hunger; a significant modification of body composition, including reductions in fat mass; significant increases in blood pressure and in total, LDL-, and HDL-cholesterol concentrations; and a significant decrease in concentrations of cortisol.
Conclusions:Normal-weight subjects are able to comply with a 1 meal/d diet. When meal frequency is decreased without a reduction in overall calorie intake, modest changes occur in body composition, some cardiovascular disease risk factors, and hematologic variables. Diurnal variations may affect outcomes.
This supports your argument how?
The missing link, if you will (I slay myself) is sustainability. It makes not a lick of difference that someone can sustain this diet for a short period of time. That's a "diet." A crash diet at that. If you can't follow it forever, it's a useless dalliance.
Are you the author? |
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Fri Apr 18, 2008 3:55 pm |
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oldpjams wrote: We cross-posted. The Pub Med study was uninspiring at best.
I particularly enjoyed this:
We conclude that any effects of meal pattern on the regulation of body weight are likely to be mediated through effects on the food intake side of the energy balance equation.
I can't argue with that. I wonder who eats less and stores less? The person that fasts all day and gorges, or the person that eats until satiated throughout the day.
The second piece was more interesting.
Results:Subjects who completed the study maintained their body weight within 2 kg of their initial weight throughout the 6-mo period. There were no significant effects of meal frequency on heart rate, body temperature, or most of the blood variables measured. However, when consuming 1 meal/d, subjects had a significant increase in hunger; a significant modification of body composition, including reductions in fat mass; significant increases in blood pressure and in total, LDL-, and HDL-cholesterol concentrations; and a significant decrease in concentrations of cortisol.
Conclusions:Normal-weight subjects are able to comply with a 1 meal/d diet. When meal frequency is decreased without a reduction in overall calorie intake, modest changes occur in body composition, some cardiovascular disease risk factors, and hematologic variables. Diurnal variations may affect outcomes.
This supports your argument how?
The missing link, if you will (I slay myself) is sustainability. It makes not a lick of difference that someone can sustain this diet for a short period of time. That's a "diet." A crash diet at that. If you can't follow it forever, it's a useless dalliance.
Are you the author?
Well it all boils down to self control no matter what "diet" you are on. Some take more self control and some take less. It really is all a trade-off.
The SBD is probably less hunger intensive but more food restrictive, where as my diet is more hunger intensive but less food restrictive and at this point it becomes a matter of personal preference and how willing you are to stick to it. There are people out there who have done the Warrior Diet for years and there are people who do it for a few days and quit, the same holds true for almost any diet really.
As for the blood pressure thing they address that later on in the discussion, yeah it was a lot to read through so I don't know if you got to it or not. But here is the explanation they offer for the difference:
"Although within normal values, both systolic and diastolic blood pressures were higher than baseline during consumption of the 1 meal/d diet. Experimental data for normal-weight men and women on the effects of consumption of 1 meal/d rather than 3 meals/d on blood pressure have not previously been reported. Overweight men and women showed that consumption of 1 meal/d, with caloric restriction, improved blood pressure and heart rate after exercise (22). In animal models, intermittent fasting without caloric restriction has been shown to decrease blood pressure and heart rate (15). The observed increase in blood pressure in our subject population consuming 1 meal/d may be due to a circadian rhythm in blood pressure (23). Diurnal changes may have occurred, because blood pressure measurements were obtained in the late afternoon in the 1 meal/d diet versus early morning in the 3 meals/d."
Am I the author of what? |
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Fri Apr 18, 2008 4:07 pm |
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I can't argue with that. I wonder who eats less and stores less? The person that fasts all day and gorges, or the person that eats until satiated throughout the day.
Just realized I did not answer this.
The second study I posted had this to say about that.
"The average daily energy intake across treatments was 2364 kcal in the 1 meal/d diet and 2429 kcal in the 3 meals/d diet. No significant differences were found in the percentages of macronutrients, fatty acids, cholesterol, and fiber between the 2 controlled diets."
By the way is your avatar from Pizzaro? |
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Fri Apr 18, 2008 4:17 pm |
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ladybugnessa wrote:
it's not your choice of diet... it's your length of time living your plan that affects my ability to give you credit for making a permanent lifestyle change.
as for SBD being ONLY about WHAT you eat... if you are researching for your brother then you need to read the book... WHAT you eat is only PART of the deal WHEN you eat is critical too.
I can respect that, and yes I do need finish reading the book.
I am just asking that you guys chill out on using the amount of time I have spent on the diet as a problem with the diet itself. |
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Fri Apr 18, 2008 4:22 pm |
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Four tips to gaining weight (a la sumo wresters):
1. Skip breakfast. By depriving their bodies of food after eight hours of sleep, their metabolic rates stay low.
2. Exercise on an empty stomach. If their bodies have
no food, their metabolic thermostats are turned down even lower to conserve fuel.
3. Take a nap after eating. The Sumo secret for gaining weight is that, after eating, they sleep for at least four hours.
4. Eat late in the day. Going to bed with full stomachs means that their bodies must respond to the huge flood of nutrients with a rush of insulin, forcing their bodies to store some of it in the cells as fat instead of in the muscles and organs as nutrients. |
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Fri Apr 18, 2008 4:35 pm |
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to me the test of a good diet is if my child's pediatrician would be happy having him or her on it.
SBD was given the stamp of approval. would your plan be? I think not. |
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Fri Apr 18, 2008 4:35 pm |
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| My Sumo Diet™ is 1500 years old. |
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