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RedRox wrote:
Except that this is posted in the Other Diets forum with the explanation under the title, "Discuss all other types of diets here.". So it's the part of this SB forum where you can discuss any type of program that ISNT SB. That's why it is here. This wasn't posted in the main SBD diet sub forum at the top of the list. There are posts in this forum about weight watchers, body makeover, Dr. Phil, Suzanne Sommers, The Zone, Fat Smash, Kimkins, the Mediterranean Diet, The Sonoma Diet, and so on ad nauseum and they rarely get the kind of attacks this one has produced.
So if you had already belonged to this forum for 4 years, where would you as a member of this community post something about a prgram that isn't SB? just sayin'
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Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:52 am |
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| Myrealana
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ladybugnessa wrote: good luck with it!
will you have to take it for the rest of your life?
oldpjams wrote: It's a simple question. Alli blocks a percentage of your fat intake from being absorbed. When you stop Alli you need to reduce your intake of fat by that percentage (20% ?) or you will be in a bad place, diet-wise.
Are you going to be on South Beach Phase 2 for the rest of your life?
At some point, you reach a weight where you want to stay, so you don't want to create a calorie defecit anymore.
Alli isn't an excuse to eat whatever you want and still lose weight. It's not a magic wand. 80-90% of the work still falls on me, it's just a boost.
I'm happy for you that you don't need anything but South Beach. But just because SB worked for you, doesn't make everything else bad. |
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Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:25 pm |
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| ladybugnessa
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Myrealana wrote: Are you going to be on South Beach Phase 2 for the rest of your life?
actually yes I am.
there is so little difference between the way i do phase 2 and phase 3 that I don't EVER see any further dietary changes happening in my life.
no one is saying everything else is bad. and SBD as I do it is not the be all to end all. but that's because i don't follow it 24/7 i treat a lot.
if i did not i'd be at goal and eating exactly the way i do now.
I just worry that this pill that you are going to take for a short period of time will work in the short run and they you will stop it, regain some if not all of the weight and then what?
DIETS don't work.
PILLS don't work. |
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Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:29 pm |
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| oldpjams
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Well, the first part of the answer is that I'm not even sure I'm on SBD anymore — I mean what is P3? Eat "normal" foods in "correct" portions with the goal of maintaining weight. If your weight goes up, tighten up on the food or move back to P1 or P2. Is that really a diet? Or are you just eating normally, and hopefully in a healthy manner, and keeping careful watch on your health and weight? What about treats? You can eat treats, whatever you want, in moderation. So now what does that mean? That sounds like common sense to me, not something that you can put a label on and claim to be a particular diet. I'm rambling, tho.
The issue that I have with these pills is that with Alli you are not creating a caloric deficit. Alli is creating the caloric deficit. You are eating the fat (hopefully a reduced amount as suggested) but as soon as you stop the pills your fat "intake" essentially will jump 25% even if you continue to eat the same way. That's a horrible burden, I think. |
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Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:45 pm |
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| RedRox
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| Am I going to be on SB P2 the rest of my life? Yeah pretty much. It worked, it continues to work and I know if I go back to my old ways of eating and being sedentary I'll put the weight back on just like everyone else who comes back to it because "life got in the way" somehow. I've never seen P3 as being very much different than P2 in day-to-day eating patterns. IMO, the calorie deficit comes from losing the weight and continually lowering the amount of calories your body needs to be in balance because there is less body mass to support. Eventually that amount gets to the point of your typical "intake" and you stop losing weight. There's a lot less wiggle room actually once you are at your healthy weight than when you start out. |
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Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:58 pm |
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| Makes sense to me. For a lot of years I ate whatever I wanted and as much as I could stuff down and I was basically a couch potato. My body reached a weight reflective of that lifestyle and stayed there, for years, with no effort at all on my part. Simple! Now if I eat more or exercise less I gain weight. Not so simple! |
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Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:02 pm |
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| ladybugnessa
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oldpjams wrote: The issue that I have with these pills is that with Alli you are not creating a caloric deficit. Alli is creating the caloric deficit. You are eating the fat (hopefully a reduced amount as suggested) but as soon as you stop the pills your fat "intake" essentially will jump 25% even if you continue to eat the same way. That's a horrible burden, I think.
See this makes sense to me... sadly. that's why i wonder what happens when you go off the pills? |
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Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:11 pm |
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ladybugnessa wrote: oldpjams wrote: The issue that I have with these pills is that with Alli you are not creating a caloric deficit. Alli is creating the caloric deficit. You are eating the fat (hopefully a reduced amount as suggested) but as soon as you stop the pills your fat "intake" essentially will jump 25% even if you continue to eat the same way. That's a horrible burden, I think.
See this makes sense to me... sadly. that's why i wonder what happens when you go off the pills?
Nothing. :wink:
As a former Xenical user, I just have to weigh in (no pun intended). I lost 70 pounds with the help of Xenical (the prescription version of Alli which is, I think, twice as strong as Alli). IIRC, Xenical only works for 12-18 months and is only intended for use by obese or very overweight people. I took it for 12 months, lost 70 pounds then my body adjusted and my weight plateaued. By then I had lost enough weight to start an exercise regime, then lost the last 20 pounds through sensible eating and exercise.
That was over four years ago and I'm still maintaining my 90-pound weight loss. I eat South Beach style now, and eat a lot more dietary fat than I did/could on Xenical.
As Myrealana says, you don't need to create a calorie deficit for the rest of your life. You just gradually adjust your calories downwards until you hit the right weight. So going off Xenical or Alli is no big deal.
I didn't find out about South Beach until after got down to my current weight. I have a history of doing everything back to front! :wink: I have figured out that I'm "carb sensitive" so SB works for me and I feel a lot better on it. I have also lost a lot of bodyfat since I've been eating South Beach style.
Would I have taken Xenical if I'd known about the Beach? It's hard to say, but at least the pills gave me a kick-start and let me know that I could lose weight. Pills like Xenical can only ever be a crutch, but they can be beneficial if you are sensible.
I don't work for Roche, but I see so much rubbish written about Xenical and Alli that I just had to have my say! |
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Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:56 am |
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RedPanda wrote: You just gradually adjust your calories downwards until you hit the right weight. So going off Xenical or Alli is no big deal.
It's great that it wasn't a very big deal for you :D . As we've seen thousands of times here, year after year, adjusting your calories downwards to an appropriate level for your ideal weight is an ENORMOUSLY BIG DEAL for the vast majority of people that endeavor to lose weight. Look the failed gastric bypass cases -- and those people have physically limited their intake but still do not manage to adjust to eating the appropriate number of calories. I have no doubt that pills work for some -- they must -- but clearly they work for few or there would be a lot less obesity given the number of pill users. I think it's very much like the lottery -- some people win but how good are your chances, really? |
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Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:02 pm |
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oldpjams wrote: I have no doubt that pills work for some -- they must -- but clearly they work for few or there would be a lot less obesity given the number of pill users. I think it's very much like the lottery -- some people win but how good are your chances, really?
True, but given the high number of people who regain, you could say that about any form of dieting, pill-assisted or not.
As Myrealana has noted, Alli isn't magic and it's up to her to do 80-90% of the work. She sounds like she has a lot of commonsense and I hope she is successful! :) |
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Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:09 pm |
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RedPanda wrote:
True, but given the high number of people who regain, you could say that about any form of dieting, pill-assisted or not.
As Myrealana has noted, Alli isn't magic and it's up to her to do 80-90% of the work. She sounds like she has a lot of commonsense and I hope she is successful! :)
Oh, I agree. I think all forms of dieting are doomed to failure and think that even the "lifestyle changes" are very difficult to sustain for most people for many, many reasons.
I hope everyone is successful too. |
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Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:29 pm |
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I've used Alli also, and although I did have loose stools in the beginning, after a couple of weeks there was no more problem at all. And I plan to take Alli with SBD.
Will I have to take it all my life--no, because it stops working after about a year--will I have to watch what I eat all my life--yes--is one of the reasons people "give up" is because they don't see progress--yes (and I am particularly guilty of that), will Alli help keep me on track--definite, yes.
The only downside I have found with Alli is that it is very expensive. That's the only reason I have ever stopped taking it so far. And when I stopped taking it and stopped eating low fat, I gained weight. But it's because I ate too much, not because I stopped using Alli. Alli only gets rid of 25% of a low fat diet--it will NOT get rid of 25% of the SBD because SBD allows a lot more fat and Alli can't absorb all that. Still, if it's just 10%, every little bit helps and as long as something isn't adversely affecting my health, then I should use everything in my arsenal that I can to fight this battle.
Last night I even dreamed that I started back smoking because I knew it would increase my metabolism! (but I won't--there are over 800 "nasties" in cigarettes) whereas Alli has proven itself for most people....but like everything from penicillin to peanuts, what is safe and okay for most people is poison for another---everyone is different and everyone has to make their decisions for themselves. And everyone has to choose their own "weapons".
Right now my weapons are:
SBD
Alli
McKenna's tapping tips and "finger" control tips.
I'm praying that I have chosen the best weapons for me. |
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Sat Apr 19, 2008 7:00 pm |
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Curious about this thread...so started reading and read the entire thing. While I have never used Alli, I did use Xenical when it first appeared on the scene. Didn't like it,...oily discharge (TMI I know! :oops: ), smell and loose stools. Didn't make it a week. I wasn't quite as fat as I am now, but I wasn't ready for the committment either. Now, being older and wiser, I see any diet aid as a tool for weight loss, sort of like training wheels on a bicycle.
You use training wheels until you can balance on your own and ride without them. Well, I view things like Alli the same way. If you are doing the 80% to 90% work recquired to be successful on Alli, i.e. eating low fat, exercising consistently, drinking water, then once you stop the Alli (or it stops working for you), you should be able to continue on your own.
Some people learn to ride a bicycle with training wheels, and some learn by constantly getting on, falling, getting back up and trying again. Either way, you will learn to ride the darn thing if you are persistent! One way for sure that you never ride it is to quit altogether and give up completely!
By the same token, you will NEVER lose weight if you give up completely! Regardless of how you try to lose weight, the only guarantees that are always present in this journey is 1.You will succeed eventually if you don't give up and 2. You will never reach the goal if you DO give up!
So whether you use the training wheels (Alli, Xenical, other diets or even surgery) or not using them (fall, pick yourself up, start all over again), the goal remains the same, and you will reach it!
My boss said something to a patient today that was funny but true..."Your good health is bigger than what the scale says. Besides, we don't weigh DEAD people! :lol:
So Myrealana, Good Luck on the Alli! If it doesn't work for you, do somethingelse. Just do something! :smile:
Peace ! |
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