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luvmycritters, you're right. Everyone reacts differently to each drink. I've heard of Ensure, I haven't tried it yet though.
ftanya wrote: Hey Pookie
I'll be keeping tabs on how you feel about the program. I'm currently doing Power 90 and I've already purchased the P90X program to do afterward. I may stay on power 90 a bit longer than 90 days before transitioning though.
Cool. How do you like Power 90? |
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Thu Jun 07, 2007 3:10 pm |
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| I didn't realize you started a thread too. All my best stuff I gave you already. On top of Ensure, Carnation Instant Breakfast will work. I like the homebrew better, tho. |
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Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:48 pm |
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I LOVE POWER 90! It really is challenging. I've only got a couple of weeks left, but as of now, i've lost about 15 lbs while doing it. i love that you can really take it at your own pace and if I'm having a day with a lot less energy than the day before, I can lower the intensity to finish the workout, and if I have extra energy, I can really push myself.
The only thing that's keeping me from starting P90X as soon as I finish Power 90 is the fact that the workouts are long. I have a 7 month old who doesn't always allow me the time I'd need for it. I already get up at 5 a.m. to workout, and he wakes up at 6a.m. From then until he goes to bed, the only workouts I get in are walks with him and cleaning up after him. Once he goes to bed, there are dishes to do, laundry, cleaning, etc., and I don't normally get to bed until 11 p.m. as it is. I may have to wait until he's a little older to be able to invest the required time in P90X. When do you do it? |
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Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:24 pm |
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Yeah jams, I actually put up a post before talking about it in my journal. ;)
ftanya, I work from 8-4:30, M-F ~ So, I do my workout when I get home and then on the weekends, usually in the mornings. I have no children, so I don't need to "share my time" with anyone else besides DH. I'm glad Power90 is working for you! How many minutes/days is it that you dedicate now?
I'll be starting p90x with a friend in a week or two, but I've been doing random DVD's to get my body used to the program itself. It's VERY intense. I'm still sore from a workout I did 2 days ago. :|
I'll be logging about it in my journal if you wanna check in to see how it's working for me. I don't mind being a guinea pig. ;) |
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Thu Jun 07, 2007 11:20 pm |
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| LarryR
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http://www.hammernutrition.com/
Check out this company. I'm currently using EnduroxR4, but the Hammer stuff looks interesting. Check out their 'Resource Center' link- lots of good info to download even if you don't use their products.
With all do respect to those that recommend stretching. While stretching is an important part of any exersize route, it doesn't replace loss glycogen stores, or provide protein for healing/muscle building :D
Good Luck
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Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:30 am |
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i like the endurox r4 as well (just got back from a run and finished a glass of the fruit punch!). i saw the hammer product at the store yesterday as well, but didnt look too closely at it. there is just so much out there!
i sometimes after shorter runs use nuun or ultima, which are sucrose free and basically just electrolytes. they dont taste amazing, but they get the job done. |
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Mon Jun 11, 2007 2:31 am |
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raynjen wrote: there is just so much out there!
i sometimes after shorter runs use nuun or ultima, which are sucrose free and basically just electrolytes. they dont taste amazing, but they get the job done.
It is mind boggling as to all the products. One thing that makes it tough, is that everybody is different in the way their metabolism works. With one product working for one, won't work for another. Just have to figure what's best under the circumstances. Like you said, for the shorter exercise periods, there's nothing wrong with a simple electrolyte replacement and skip the carbs. On the other extreme is endurance sports that require not only carb replacement but protein as well. Many other things to consider, which adds to the confusion. |
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Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:35 am |
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LarryR wrote: Many other things to consider, which adds to the confusion.
Yes. It's VERY confusing, to me anyways. But I appreciate all the insight and larry, I'll check out that site. Thanks! |
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Mon Jun 11, 2007 2:00 pm |
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So Pokie..... if I put my chocolate skim milk in a "fancy" package and put the pic of a muscle-bound stud on it.............. would you buy it? :wink: :D
Here is an article concerning sports drinks you might find interesting.
FWIW.... even when training for and running marathons.... watered down Gatorade was my choice as a drink, then I would eat (carbs/protein) soon after for "recovery".
(from WebMD)
Are sports drinks for everybody? How and why to use them
They have names that make you feel as if you're working out just by drinking them -- Gatorade, Accelerade, Cytomax, Endurance, Raw Dawg, SoBe Adrenaline Rush, and Red Bull -- but I was confused about sports, recovery, and energy drinks.
I wasn't sure whether they had any real value, so I did a little research.
Most experts agree that sports drinks are helpful if you're involved in high-intensity activity for long durations or if you sweat a lot.
Leslie Bonci, director of sports medicine nutrition at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center, says if you're exercising occasionally for less than 45 minutes, you're probably not a candidate for these drinks.
"The reason sports drinks are helpful to competitive endurance athletes is because of the difficulty of consuming calories from whole foods during the event," (emphasis mine) says Nancy Clark, author of Nancy Clark's Sports Nutrition Guidebook (Human Kinetics, 2003).
"The main question you need to consider," she says, is "'are you depleting your body of certain nutrients?'"
When you sweat, you lose more than just water; you also lose electrolytes, such as sodium and potassium. But while it's true that these electrolytes are important to help regulate your body's fluid balance, you can get much of your replacement from foods and fluids after exercise.
Clark says you can replace all the necessary potassium and sodium you've lost after running a marathon by drinking a quart of orange juice (potassium) and eating a bag of salted pretzels (sodium).
Still not sure if you should have a sports drink? Bonci recommends asking yourself a few key questions: Do you sweat excessively? Does your skin feel a bit gritty when you're done exercising? Are you exercising in extremely hot climates? Have you eaten anything before exercising? (If not, a sports drink before your workout is better than nothing.)
But, Bonci adds, "if you don't already know that you need one -- you probably don't."
In most cases, plain old water is all that's required.
The main benefit of sports drinks is that people tend to drink more because they like the taste. Plus, the sodium makes you thirsty, while helping with the absorption and retention of fluids.
What to look for
Bonci recommends looking for a drink that contains no more than 50 calories, 100 to 150 milligrams of sodium, 100 milligrams of potassium and about 14 grams of carbohydrates per 8 ounces.
Avoid carbonated and caffeinated beverages. The carbonation can decrease fluid intake, and the caffeine can act as a laxative and diuretic, both of which can lead to dehydration.
Recovery drinks
You should drink a recovery drink, as the name implies, after you finish exercising, to replace nutrients you might have lost.
"A recovery drink, which typically contains carbohydrates and protein, helps in a number of ways, including reducing your appetite (you won't be as hungry later), tissue repair and fueling your muscles," says John L. Ivy, professor of kinesiology at the University of Texas, Austin, and author of The Performance Zone (Basic Nutrition Publishing, 2004).
They're also designed to be absorbed more quickly than solid foods.
However, some experts say most people don't really have to worry about "recovery" or rehydration.
"If you're not a professional athlete or concerned with top performance, being a bit fatigued after exercise doesn't really matter," says Priscilla M. Clarkson, professor of exercise science at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst. "As soon as you eat your next meal, you'll feel better."
Energy drinks
Banned in certain European countries because of their high caffeine content, these drinks typically contain more than 100 calories for about 8 ounces, and are basically sugar and caffeine.
Yes, they also have assorted other goodies. Red Bull, for example, contains taurine, an amino acid whose benefit to athletes, Clark says, is still controversial.
"They are overkill," Ivy says. "Maybe, if you're a competitive cyclist they'd be necessary, but really, they're nothing more than souped-up soda."
"Yes, energy drinks have caffeine, which does give you the feeling of being more energetic, and if you're sedentary and that stimulates you to get out and exercise, that's great," Clarkson says. "But make sure you don't take in more calories by drinking than you burn by the exercise itself."
And there are other ways to get that caffeine and sugar boost.
"Have a piece of fruit, which not only fills you up but has antioxidants and vitamins. Pair it with a cup of coffee or unsweetened iced tea," suggests Dr. Lawrence J. Cheskin, professor of medicine and human nutrition at Johns Hopkins University Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore.
What about those designer waters, such as Vitamin Water and Propel? Most experts had a similar response -- they laughed at their usefulness for athletic performance. |
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Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:40 pm |
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| LarryR
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luvs_torun
I agree with pretty much your whole post, and a good one at that! But I'd caution readers not to confuse recovery drinks and nutrition, with the 'energy' drinks. Seems to me that quite a few folks drink those like Red Bull because of the caffeine jolt. To me, they aren't even in the same catagory as Accelerade. The energy boost from caffeine as you probably know, is a result of increased insulin response. Plus caffeine, being a stimulant, I guess would also provide a sense of 'energy', but I'd question that for my own use. I'd also be willing to bet that the carbs in those like Red Bull are shorter chain carbs, vs. those like Accelerade and Cytomax. These are broken down more slowly, for a sustained effect, and generally are more easily digested. I've never looked at the label of Red Bull...but you've got my interest :D But I guess since it's advertised in the main stream media, I assume that it's all about package and profit, vs. anything useful for the athlete. But for me, I guess I'd question the value of Red Bull. (After review, you did mention that they are 'sugar and caffeine'...I'm still going to check out the label)
And I agree pretty much with the comments on electrolyte lose. Alot of this comes down to personal preferences...listen to you body. Don't forget to factor age into that equation, since you talked alot about sweating. Older folks don't sweat as much. Doesn't mean we don't need to ignore lyte replacement...just means we don't sweat as much :roll: According to the folks at Hammer, if you lose >2% water weight, performance will suffer. For those that are interested check out that literature on their web site...not that it's the Holy Grail. Weigh yourself naked pre and post exercise. Be wary if you lost more than 2% of your body weight. Though they are intertwined, for my minds sake I look at electrolytes/hydration and carbs/protein nutrition as 2 separate things. I'm not recommending that for everyone, but just for clarification. And in Accelerade or Endurox R4 you'll find plenty of lytes, along with the protein/carbs.
I disagree with the quote of Ms.Clarkson. Fatigue after exercise is not strictly the reason for recovery drink/nutrition, it's for the following days performance. And as most experts would agree those glycogen stores are most sensitive to replenishing within 30min post exercise. Nutrition coming with your next meal (hours after exercise?), is beneficial, and the benefits would be seen, it'd just take longer:days vs 24hrs. It's not that big of issue imo, if you're working out everyother day. But I guess since fatigue is a motivating factor whether or not I exercise in the first place the following day, I guess, I'd be inclined to follow the experts in recommending an immediate post recovery drink, meal, what have you. You don't have to be professional, and as an old guy I'm not concerned with top performance. But gosh, I don't want to be out on a long(ish) bike ride and hit the wall because I didn't follow proper recovery steps on the previous day. Again, let your body be your guide. If you feel sluggish after a previous days exercise, and you wonder if it might be nutrition vs. general conditioning, I'd look to the recovery process. A word of caution: don't be one, that figures if a little is good, alot must be better. In terms of weight loss/gain, recovery nutrition can be dangerous :wink:
Sorry any poor grammar or spelling. Time was short in this reply.
Larry |
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