| ladybugnessa
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i'm involved in a battle on another private message board right now..
the Atkins devotee swears that SBD is just an Atkins decendent and an Atkins Rip OFF... that it was made to add carbs so the masses who can't do Atkins would not rebel and that Atkins Fit for Life and SBD are basically the same...
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Thu May 18, 2006 6:34 pm |
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| RedRox
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I know you will find this hard to believe, but others here have gone around on this topic before! ;) Not as much lately though.
Here are a couple previous threads, one more positive than the other, although the follow on discussion in the second (negative) one is insightful I think.
http://www.southbeach-diet-plan.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8534
http://www.southbeach-diet-plan.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6985
If you are looking for more independent reviews, WebMD covers them pretty well. Keep clicking on the "Next" links at the bottom of each page to get through the complete article. You can probably find some "ammo" to work with here as well!
SBD: http://www.webmd.com/content/pages/15/96038.htm
Atkins: http://www.webmd.com/content/pages/7/3220_136.htm |
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Thu May 18, 2006 7:35 pm |
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| ladybugnessa
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| i was sure it had been discussed and i KNEW you would be able to help me. |
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Thu May 18, 2006 7:44 pm |
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| babice
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redroxco wrote: If you are looking for more independent reviews, WebMD covers them pretty well.
Yeah -- although I even get frustrated with WebMD because they will still classify SBD as a low carb diet sometimes. And we all know how strongly I (and Dr. Agaston for that matter) feel about that.
Basically, ladybug, it's a bunch of caca to say that they are the same. I will go over to the paid website and find something for you from there and post it here. But, even phase 1 is not low carb -- not unless someone wants to make it low carb. (I proved that once....can try to dredge that back up again...). However, another BIG difference is that SBD stresses GOOD fats.
I think if anyone wanted to "scoff" as the SBD as just being "another diet" that kind of takes off from another diet (SBD isn't the only one but, that's what your debate is about) -- then, yeah -- I'll say. Yup, it ain't rocket science. The SBD is VERY close to what's recommended on the Food Pyramid (mind you -- even the Food Pyramid website will tell you that the portions are what's recommended for maintenance and isn't for weight loss) -- it's also VERY close to the DASH diet (Dietary recommendations for people with hypertension). It's also oddly VERY close to recommendations for people with diabetes.
However, to conclude -- you never, ever, ever -- not ever -- want to go into ketosis when on the SBD. If you do, you're doing something wrong. |
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Thu May 18, 2006 10:23 pm |
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| RedRox
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| Just another thought. I'm not sure where you are in terms of ramping up to a full P2 menu, but you could each count the carbs you eat for a day and see how you compare at the end of the day. The times I've checked it in the past, I tend to run somwhere between 135-150 gms a day. Most hardcore Atkins types wouldn't come close to that I don't think. |
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Fri May 19, 2006 4:14 pm |
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| auburnlocks
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The simple fact that someone who is a Vegetarian can succeed on South Beach is a pretty big rebuttle to anyone who says they are the same thing. I eat no meat or fish, very little cheese and limited dairy and have been doing very well so far on South Beach principles. With the restrictions on beans, legumes, fruit, grains and the larger list of off limit vegetables I don't think I could last a week on Atkins. Never mind that eating fatty dairy products like butter, cream and cheese would do a real number on my digestive system. I would feel awful eating like that.
I do think they are based both on many of the same priciples and I'm sure Dr. Agastan would say that he owes a lot to the publicity (and research) that has come out of the Atkins Low Carb craze. Phase 1 of South Beach is similar to phase 2 of Atkins. Rather than saying he ripped Atkins off I would say he has built on the theories and research of Atkins and others who were studying the Glycemic index and low carb way of eating starting back in the 70's. I do have friends who have done very well on Atkins, have lost lots of weight and kept it off for several years. For those who were severly overweight before I'm sure they are healthier now then they were before they lost the weight. I think for certain men it is especially effective because they seem to see it as a macho diet and are more likely to stick with it. I do wory about their long term health though. I just can't see how all that fatty meat with such limited fiber intake can possibly be good for your colon in the long run. |
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Fri May 19, 2006 4:33 pm |
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| whirled peas
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Kimboroni posted this a while back and I bookmarked it:
Kimboroni wrote: Just for informational purposes (and to shock ex-Atkinsers, lol), you're looking at something like this in one day (this is in "net carbs," even though we don't look at those on SB) of p1:
6 oz V8- 6
1 cup cherry tomatoes- 4
1 cup of skim milk- 12
3 cups lettuce- 1
½ cup red peppers- 3
½ cup garbanzo beans- 13
1 cup of plain yogurt- 19
1 serving of roasted veggies- 10
½ cup black beans- 13
trace amounts in foods like cheese, nuts, dressing throughout the day- 15
That's a total of 96 g!
(But just remember that this isn't a limit or anything-- it's only a sample and example to show one of the big differences between p1 and Atkins Induction.)
very interesting... |
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Fri May 19, 2006 5:21 pm |
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| LaTisha06
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| I was on atkins prior to pregnancy and on atkins, you have to be in ketosis in order to be doing the plan and losing weight. Thats the biggest difference I've seen between these 2 plans. I've switched over because I am breastfeeding and I DO NOT want to be in ketosis. I'm actually watching my carbs (and cals) here to ensure that I am getting enough and I don't slip into the atkins frame of mind. You do eat a lot of the same foods though, except atkins doesn't focus on lean meats. However, its been discussed on atkins message boards that once you start adding back your carbs, you are suppose to limit your fats. The fats in the beginning are suppose to help with cravings/feelings of hunger. Atkins has it written out, step by step, how you should add back your carbs via the carb ladder. There is no guessing involved. You keep adding until you are no longer in ketosis, than you back off a bit to get back in ketosis and stay there until you have reached your goal. Than you'll add your carbs back so that you are maintaining and no longer in ketosis. You don't have to do all that with this plan. You add back slowly but it doesn't seem like you have to do it in any particular order. Also, I can have beans and yogurt in phase one...can't have that during atkins induction phase. This is why you don't have to be in ketosis in the beginning following SBD and why I have chose this plan over atkins! |
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Tue May 23, 2006 2:19 am |
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| jenesaispas
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| SBD IS a low carb diet. 1/2 a up of pasta for a sercing?Even 8 year olds eat more than that. |
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Tue May 30, 2006 11:30 pm |
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| ladybugnessa
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jenesaispas wrote: SBD IS a low carb diet. 1/2 a up of pasta for a sercing?Even 8 year olds eat more than that.
so the only thing on SBD that is a carb is pasta? |
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Tue May 30, 2006 11:46 pm |
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| jenesaispas
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| 1/2 cup of pasta,1/2 cup of rice, 1 slice of WW bread- all 1 serving of the respective foods(noone eats a slice of bread).These three carbs are a major part of most americans' diets. There are some serious restrictions on almost ALL the carbs.You cant deny that. Not saying there's anything wrong with this diet(im on it), but its a bit frustrating to see SB'ers deny that its a low carb diet. Pasta or rice are supposed to be meals.Not side dishes. |
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Wed May 31, 2006 12:10 am |
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| ladybugnessa
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jenesaispas wrote: Pasta or rice are supposed to be meals.Not side dishes.
by whose definition? Carbs are veggies, carbs are fruit carbs are all things NOT fat or protein...
so is this also then a low-fat diet? |
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Wed May 31, 2006 12:18 am |
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| jenesaispas
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| i think you know exactly what kind of carbs i'm talking about.The STARCHIEST. How many times do you hear people classify veggies or fruits as carbs? |
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Wed May 31, 2006 12:56 am |
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| ladybugnessa
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jenesaispas wrote: i think you know exactly what kind of carbs i'm talking about.The STARCHIEST. How many times do you hear people classify veggies or fruits as carbs?
but we were doing a compare and contrast of Atkins vs. SBD not discussing the ignorance of the general population concerning nutrition.
as an educated (about nutirition at least) person how can you in all honesty say that SBD is low-carb when compared to say Atkins? |
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Wed May 31, 2006 12:59 am |
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| jenesaispas
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| Obviously if we're camparing and contrasting SB to atkins, SB is way better(healthier,less restrictive,ect) than atkins is. But my point is SB is no heaven either. |
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Wed May 31, 2006 1:20 am |
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