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Just another good word for WW. I did the WW core plan last year and had great success. I never tried the points plan, as I have no patience for counting things like that and the core food list had everything I wanted to eat, anyway. In talking with a friend who has done very well with the SBD, we realized that WW Core and SBD P2 are very, very similar. I decided to check out the Beach this month when I bought the book off a dollar rack. I'm on P2 now and if feels just like my old Core plan. Main difference is that on SB, low-fat dairy is permitted while on Core it has to be no-fat. Not a very big difference, I like both just fine. And often I don't do any dairy at all.
South Beach and WW Core are very compatible, and I will credit both for my improving health.
I can't discuss living on WW Points as I never tried it. |
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Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:07 pm |
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| frustratedieter
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This thread is a "hot topic"!!!! I did WW for about 1 1/2 years and lost maybe 25lbs or so. Then plateaued without budging. It was highly frustrating!!! I too found out I was insulin resistant about that time. But didn't figure out why I couldn't lose anymore!!!
In my recent investigations of how to conquer my issues I found SB. BUT back to WW...I remember our leader being able to share what foods to buy at the grocery store (all sorts of good stuff) then later on she share that the corporation wouldn't allow that anymore. Don't know if they felt that the WW brands needed to be purchased and things like Amy's etc. were the competition.
One of my leaders (I went to 2 different meetings in that year-and-a-half) really stressed exercise but I didnt' hear it I guess. Now I'm exercising AND eating pretty healthy I think. The carbs were a HUGE part of my retaining the lbs!!!
Today's society really relies too much on pre-prepared foods, drive-through, and what is fast to fix....rather than the "made from scratch" food items! I think this plays huge into the obesity problem!!! |
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Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:12 pm |
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| pedsrn
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i didnt think i would find a thread on this but i've been thinking about how similar it is to WW. I also was a BIG fan of WW until I decided to try something else. Now that i'm in phase 2, i see it very similar to WW in some ways but think SBD promotes healthier eating and lifestyle.
I got sick of trying WW again (each time i lost over 20 lbs easily and smoothly) because I wasnt interested in counting everything I ate. It does come natural after a little while, but still. Also, its true that with the points, some times all i would have for supper would be a slice of ice cream pie. I'd waste my points on such junk and I wouldnt have any extra points left for healthy fish or chicken, etc. Also, you learn how to get around the points like only eating egg whites of hard-boiled eggs,etc.
So, to be honest, I'm 2.5 weeks into SBD and i feel very full, not deprived, healthy, losing weight at a slow but nice pace and dont have to worry if i have an extra peice of meat or another egg. I dont have to count most of what I eat. I thought I would start SBD and then switch over to WW if SBD was getting to hard for me. But I think I'm "sold" with SBD now and realize how much healthier I feel when I eat healthier foods. |
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Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:41 am |
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| carolinagal
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| Well I just re-joined weight watchers recently. I was not excited about counting points again - but I thought it was worth a try to lose some weight. I was thrilled to see that they added the Core Plan. I hated counting points with a passion! So far from what I can tell the Core is similar to P2 on SBD. Sooo Im ditching my weight watchers membership & going with SBD. Last time I did SBD I lost 13 lbs in Phase 1... Hope to have same results this time around. |
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Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:25 pm |
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| im thinking of going back to WW again but without the membership. When I commit to it, I can do really well on my own without the meetings. |
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Tue May 06, 2008 7:05 am |
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| frustratedieter
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I haven't read through all the posts here but will add my 2-cents worth anyway. I'm a past WW member and was highly frustrated the 2 times I belonged. I did the point system as I felt it was more "strict" and that I needed that to stay OP. Anyway I lost very slowly and would yo-yo along the way and then I hit a wall (Plateau) that lasted for weeks into months. I got very discouraged BOTH times and quit.
THEN I was told I was "insulin resistant" and while not impossible...it would be very hard for me to lose weight! This from my health-care provider. I did some online research and read SB in alot of the material and thought I should look into this! I've been doing SB since March of this year ( '08 ) and have to date lost 14 lbs. I've steadily lost and this never happened with WW. I think WW probably is a good program "if" one doesn't have insulin resistance, PICOS and similar issues. For me and apparently for others by this post's information...it probably isn't a program that works well. At least if one counts the points. I want to be on a program where my insulin levels as well as cholestrol become more in normal ranges. If I"m eating alot of processed foods (which has hidden sugars and more in them)...this can't be a healthy way of eating!!!! |
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Sat May 10, 2008 6:08 pm |
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| Kimboroni
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frustratedieter wrote: I think WW probably is a good program "if" one doesn't have insulin resistance, PICOS and similar issues.
The problem is that abusing the points so that you eat a certain way can eventually make you develop insulin resistance. It isn't something that just happens-- IR comes directly from lifestyle habits. |
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Mon May 12, 2008 7:57 pm |
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| Elaine64
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| Hi. I'm new to the SBD (just started P2) and actually this is my first post. Love these boards, btw! I had about 15 pds to lose and had been doing WW's flex plan for the past 18 mths. It worked for me and I lost about 12-15 pds but eventually found myself doing what a lot of people OP tend to do; I was saving all of my points and wasting them at the end of the end on empty calories. I am a huge chocoholic and love my sweets so I was using 50% of my points on junkfood every day. Eventually my weight plateaued and I stopped losing. Then my plateau turned into gradual increases. I've now put back on about 5 pds. I started exercising 5 days a week and decided I had to make a major change and that meant giving up sugar and refined carbs. I think that WW's has many positive qualities and it did work for me. I did learn some healthy eating habits but now it's time for a change and I feel like SBD is the best way for me to do this. I was extremely anal about counting my points everyday so having that burden lifted off of me is great! |
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Wed May 21, 2008 4:39 pm |
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| rainbow~beach
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My WW story...
I first tried WW when I was about 13 years old. Back then, it was the ticking boxes for each portion eaten. I lost about 10 pounds (out of 70 I needed to lose), then plateaued for a couple of months. Now, as my mother was the one preparing my meals (and paying for the classes), SHE got bored and went back to making me the same food as the family and stopped paying for classes.
When I was 21, I followed the Rosemary Conley WOE. I attended the weekly exercise classes and managed to lose 10lbs, and again plateaued for weeks, so I stopped going.
When I was 28 I decided to go back to WW as I was heading for my 30th birthday and didn't want to spend my 30s being fat (as I had my childhood, my teens, and my 20s). I attended the classes, lost about 10lbs (I'm seeing a pattern here!), plateaued, left.
When I was 32, I went back to WW, joined a fairly new class in my area. By now I had been through a period of clinical depression, with all the illness and med side effects, such as craving for carbs and being too knocked out to exercise or go anywhere. In 6 weeks I GAINED 7 lbs. The leader was baffled. She read over my food journals and couldn't see anything wrong with them at all. She recommended I drop a few points to see if that kick started weight loss. I gained another 2 lbs. I left.
Then I fell ill with polycythemia, and was referred to a haematologist. We discussed my weight during the assessment appointment, and the specialist asked if I had heard about South Beach? He went onto explain what it was all about and how it's the only "diet" he would recommend - and also said that WW only works for approx 20% of the population...
For me, WW clearly doesn't work. I've tried the flex and core plans. Both have too much leeway to eat too much (bad) carbs. My haemo said that the WW food "chart" is still very much based on 1970s research - basically 1 third of your intake should be carbs/starches - which is one of the reasons why it doesn't effectively deal with IR or pre-diabetes. Also - as has previously been mentioned - it doesn't deal with your cravings or blood sugar levels. Even when I "worked" the plan to the letter, it didn't work for me. |
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Sun Jun 29, 2008 9:03 pm |
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| beachmeup
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Just want to add my experience to the other voices that are not WW fans...if this doesn't reflect the differences between SBD and WW, nothing will! About 3 years ago, I had lost 115# on SBD, and had kept it off for about 6 months. Wanting to lose another 15-20#, but starting to feel like I couldn't get back on a strict PH I or II, decided to try WW. I bought all the books, signed up for 10 weeks, was all gung-ho. I counted my points religiously, never going over, but LOVED being able to occasionally eat a slim-a-bear, or once a week, something like fried chicken or abig old cookie. I continued exercising religiously, 5-6 times a week, 1 1/2 hours a day. At the end of 3 weeks - I had GAINED 9 POUNDS!!!
Many of you won't be surprised to hear that I have polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS), and am insulin resistant. The thing that pissed me off the most, I think, was the response/attitude of the WW people. Every time I weighed in, and would show them my food and exercise journal, they'd say something to imply I was not being "honest" or shoot me a look like "yeah, right." And whenever I even tried talking to them about why was I able to lose so much on SBD, but was having such disastrous results on WW, they would get all haughty and not want to hear A WORD about SBD. So, I got back on SBD then, PHI religiously for 2 weeks, then PH II, and it took me 4 weeks to lose those dang 9 pounds. |
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