| baptistbluerose
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Can anyone tell me the difference between the South Beach Diet's Phase 1 and the Atkins Diet's Induction diet? I can't seem to stay on the Atkins so I'm thinking about trying South Beach but it looks the same to me. What is the difference?
Thanks!
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Tue Jan 25, 2005 8:21 pm |
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| ladychyd
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in a way phase 1 and atkins seems the same but south beach is much healthier. atkins requires u to eat fatty foods like bacon and sausages and stuff..i'm not a south beach expert, i just started the diet but with south beach after the two weeks is up u get to eat carbs again, with atkins u don't. also with atkins if you start eating carbs again you can gain alot of weight!
i was gonna try atkins but it just seemed so fattening and it really doesnt work for everybody. |
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Tue Jan 25, 2005 8:38 pm |
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| Darlene
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| The purpose of Atkins Induction is to get your body into Ketosis. SBD does not encourage that. SBD you can eat beans (Pinto, black, kidney etc) which I dont believe Atkins allows on their induction, so you can eat beans which are yummy! You are allowed coffee which I believe Atkins doesnt allow. SBD is leaner meats and low fat foods where as Atkins doesnt keep track of your fat intake. Ummm lots of stuff, maybe someone more familar with Atkins can answer better. |
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Tue Jan 25, 2005 8:46 pm |
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| babice
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Hi! The biggest difference is that Dr. Agaston expressly says (in his book and on his official website) that Phase 1 (nor any phase) is NOT low carb. If you're interested in the South Beach diet, you really should read all the "frequently asked questions" you'll find posted in this website everywhere. They give good info. Just take a look at the allowable legumes and veggies in Phase 1:
BEANS/LEGUMES
(Start with 1/3 - 1/2 cup serving)
Adzuki Beans
Black Beans
Black-eyed peas
Broad Beans
Butter Beans
Cannellini Beans
Chickpeas or Garbanzo
Edamame
Great Northern Beans
Italian Beans
Kidney Beans
Lentils
Lima Beans
Mung Beans
Navy Beans
Pigeon Peas
Pinto Beans
Soy Beans
Split Peas
White Beans
VEGETABLE CHOICES
(May use fresh, frozen or canned without added sugar)
Artichokes
Arugula
Asparagus
Broccoli
Bok Choy
Brussels Sprouts
Cabbage
Capers
Cauliflower
Celery
Chayote
Chicory
Collard Greens
Cucumbers
Eggplant
Endive
Fennel
Garlic
Green Beans
Hearts of palm
Jicama
Kale
Leeks
Lettuce (All varieties)
Mushrooms (All varieties)
Mustard Greens
Nopales
Okra
Onions
Parsley
Peppers (All varieties)
Pickles - Dill or artificially sweetened
Radicchio
Radishes (All varieties)
Rhubarb
Sauerkraut
Scallions
Sea Vegetables
Snap Peas
Snow peas
Spinach
Sprouts
Squash, Spaghetti
Squash, Summer
-Yellow
-Zucchini
Swiss Chard
Tomato
Tomato Juice
Turnip Greens
Vegetable Juice Cocktail
Water Chestnuts
Watercress
Wax Beans
Zucchini |
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Tue Jan 25, 2005 8:54 pm |
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| baptistbluerose
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| It looks like they are fairly close to the same except SB allows beans during P1. That vegetable list looks just like the Atkins list too. Beans must have the good carbs? |
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Tue Jan 25, 2005 9:00 pm |
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| babice
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Hi again! FYI, another thing about the veggies, the list may be the same, but Dr. Agaston expressly does not want people measuring or limiting. On his website, he says that you should have a MINIMUM of 4 1/2 cups of veggies a day. He suggests people eat the recommended amount (of veggies, meat, etc.) and then go away for a little while. If still hungry, then he suggests a person eat more. There is something wrong if someone is hungry.
Oh...and, yes, beans have "good" carbs, as well as most veggies...the better way to put it is that they have a lower glycemic index. |
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Tue Jan 25, 2005 9:04 pm |
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| babice
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| Sorry...forgot to mention that you should also have dairy during phase 1. On the website, looks like he recommends up to 6 cups of milk or yogurt (lowfat or nonfat, of course). |
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Tue Jan 25, 2005 9:07 pm |
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| RedRox
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I think Phase 1 and Atkins induction are fairly close. A few more of the "good carbs" like beans and milk/yogurt, but otherwise fairly similar, altough we try to avoid ketosis and Atkins tries to achieve it. Also a greater attention to healthy fats and a reduction in saturated fats, but others have said Atkins doesn't really push sat. fats either and that is more a media and implementation issue. Really more a matter of degree than intent I think. The real difference is that SBD P1 is NOT the SB diet. As you quickly move into P2 I think your choices are expanded even more for adding whole grains and fruits. I don't know what Atkins targets for carb intake because I never have done it or studied it, but I did a check the other day just for giggles and I was at 145 gms for the day. I think SB pays more attention to the glycemic index of foods and managing your blood sugar during the day better as a means to curbing your appetitie and food splurges. That in itself is another difference. Most of us don't have a clue as to how many carbs we are eating. It just isn't that important to us. I did it just because I keep seeing so many posts from people here looking at SB and asking, "so how many carbs are you allowed" and they invariably get the response that this is not a low-carb or carb counting WOE. And if they get a response like 2-3 servings of grains/starches and 2-3 fruits per day, then they get frustrated because they feel we aren't answering their questions. But that is how we think of it here.
The Atkins folks seem to feel it is just about the same and the SB folks seem to think it is completely different. I suspect the truth is in the middle there somewhere. I also think folks coming from Atkins tend to implement it in more of an Atkins fashion, so it doesn't seem as different to them because of how they choose to put it into practice. YMMV! |
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Tue Jan 25, 2005 9:34 pm |
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| Ramona
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| Atkins requires you to count carbs and allows only 10-20 (if I remember) a day. You DO NOT count carbs in SB and get lots of them through the veggies (all you can eat), dairy, and beans. You have an allowed food list to follow, but you don't count carbs, you don't eat bad fats, and you don't overfill on meat. I've done both, and there really is a world of difference! |
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Tue Jan 25, 2005 9:40 pm |
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| tennie
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babice wrote: Sorry...forgot to mention that you should also have dairy during phase 1. On the website, looks like he recommends up to 6 cups of milk or yogurt (lowfat or nonfat, of course).
Wow! I missed that, I thought it was only 2-3 cups of skim or 1% a day.
Another difference to Atkins is that SBD says low fat milk products and Atkins likes cream. |
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Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:26 pm |
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| CarolG
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| The official SBD site says 2-3 cups of dairy total per day - this includes milk (skim/1%/soy) and yogurt (fat-free plain in Phase 1; can add flavored in Phase 2). Cheese is considered a protein in SBD and is not part of the dairy allowance. |
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Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:43 pm |
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| baptistbluerose
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| This sounds pretty good. So I need to locate the allowable food list and print it and hang it in my kitchen. Is that on the "official" site or can I get it here? One more question... what is a legume? |
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Wed Jan 26, 2005 2:50 pm |
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| CarolG
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You can find the latest version of the Phase 1 list of foods to enjoy and avoid in Kimboroni's Phase 1 FAQ: http://www.southbeach-diet-plan.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=26395
Legumes are beans (pinto beans, kidney beans, etc.). |
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Wed Jan 26, 2005 2:54 pm |
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| RedheadSouthBeach
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ladychyd wrote: atkins requires u to eat fatty foods like bacon and sausages and stuff.. beach after the two weeks is up u get to eat carbs again, with atkins u don't. also with atkins if you start eating carbs again you can gain alot of weight!
i was gonna try atkins but it just seemed so fattening and it really doesnt work for everybody.
Following Atkins WOE you are not required to eat bacon or sausage.
South Beach: Eat enough Protein from list to feel full
Atkins: Eat enough protein from list to feel full
The difference there is in the choices
South Beach After the two weeks your food list expands to include fruit and different veggies from list.
Atkins after two weeks your food list expands to include fruit and different veggies from list and increase carbs.
The difference again is in the choices
Atkins: Yes if you increase your carbs you will gain weight.
South Beach: Yes if you increase fats or too many grains or starches you will gain weight.
Maintenance: Atkins and South Beach are very similar. The major difference in these two eating plans is the choices in foods to get to your goal.
READ both websites and chose a plan that will fit your lifestyle the best.
Good luck in your journey,
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Wed Jan 26, 2005 3:45 pm |
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| Redvelvetdragon
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Well, having been on Atkins and being strict on Atkins I can make a few comments here. Atkins in phase 1 is much much more strict that SBD. Yes, on Atkins you can have fattier meat, however its isn't all you can eat as is implied. You have to watch your calories as well as carbs. For example, I tried to get under 2000 calories a day when I was on the plan.
You can eat any kind of cheese on Atkins, however not recommended more than 4 oz a day.
Veggies minimums and maximums on Atkins are 3 cups of salad veggies a day or 2 cups of salad veggies a day and 3/4 cup other veggie (allowable veggie).
The veggie list is much more expansive on SBD and there seem to be fewer limits save for the potatos. I tell you, I'm shocked that on SBD we can have beans and peas. I almost fainted when I read that one.
I know there are a lot of similarities, and yes eventually on Atkins you can work back in fruit...mostly berries and if you were close to target weight maybe a half an apple or peach, but SBD allows you to eat these things, plus grains and whole grain breads much sooner than Atkins allows.
On the phase I or Induction in Atkins you are limited to 20 carbs a day. That's it. Eat wisely and watch your veggies. SBD doesn't do that, thank God.
On Atkins you can have decaf coffee if your body allows it...and also heavy cream...up to 2 tbs a day. (Note the cream is not allowed on the first two weeks). but absolutely no milk of any kind. I'm not sure about close to target weight with that, it might have changed but I didn't get to that.
I have to say, what attracted me most about SBD is the ammount of Veggies. I love veggies. I remember thinking when I got on Atkins that I'd miss so many veggies. And I did. Now I don't have to. I can survive for a while with out chicken skin. Though the butter will be hard for me.
Can we have margarine on SBD? I think so but I'm still not totally clear on it. |
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Wed Jan 26, 2005 4:02 pm |
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