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I know it is not allowed! But, why? If you are drinking something like vodka and diet soda or soda water, that has no carbs or sugar...
Also, if someone had three drinks (discribed above), would that mess up P1 enough to start over?
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Sun Jan 16, 2005 4:22 pm |
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| KennyD
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The answer to "why" is because alcohol trigger appetite and makes P1 a little harder, and I also believe it to be an exercise in willpower. Will a couple of drinks one night neccessitate starting over? No.
P1 is not a magic potion that can be ruined by adding a pinch of a wrong ingredient...it's simply an exercise to get you off your old eating habits. Try to stay as close as you can to the plan, and then move to P2 where things are a bit easier to manage in the long term. |
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Sun Jan 16, 2005 4:26 pm |
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| idnarb
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valentine2 wrote: I know it is not allowed! But, why? If you are drinking something like vodka and diet soda or soda water, that has no carbs or sugar...
Also, if someone had three drinks (discribed above), would that mess up P1 enough to start over?
Thanks!
Vodka is derived from potatoes. So essentially think of it as drinking a pototato, same chemistry. |
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Sun Jan 16, 2005 5:00 pm |
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| KennyD
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| Not really the same chemistry. Fermentation breaks down the sugars. In the case of vodka and other distilled spirits, there's negligible carbs/sugars (but still calories, of course). Same with dry wine, the sugars are metabolized to alcohol in the fermentation process. |
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Sun Jan 16, 2005 5:42 pm |
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| LOWCARBnBARB
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Anything under 90 proof for any distilled liquor is going to give you carbs. The big question to me would be why would you choose that over something that would be beneficial to the plan. Would I choose regular coke or diet coke.... or diet coke vs. caffeine free diet coke. It's all a matter of choice on how well you want to do and how quickly you want to do it.
I think many of us make substitutions though and that's no big deal so long as we take responsibility for our choices and not get upset when the pounds don't come off as quickly as it does with others.
I HATE milk and I DETEST skim milk most of all, so I make my fat free/sugar free puddings with 2%. Obviously it's not going to make me lose weight as fast as if I used skim or 1% and I do plan to wean myself down to 1% as soon as my bags of 2% are gone but I just know if I was to stick to skim I wouldn't drink it at all and the puddings would just sit in the fridge until they spoiled. So... I just make it with 2% and soon 1% and live with the slower weight loss.
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Sun Jan 16, 2005 7:05 pm |
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| KennyD
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| Some good points, Barb...we all need to tailor our plan to keep it sustainable. To try to be 100% pure on this thing would be difficult to maintain in the long term. 90-95% will do the trick, especially with a bit of exercise. |
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Sun Jan 16, 2005 7:31 pm |
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| jenniferrau
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| I know this is off subject. But you eat FF/SF pudding?!?!? I thiught you couldn't because there is is a starch listed on the ingrediants. If you have found something different then please let me know. I love pudding! |
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Sun Jan 16, 2005 7:31 pm |
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| LOWCARBnBARB
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jenniferrau wrote: I know this is off subject. But you eat FF/SF pudding?!?!? I thiught you couldn't because there is is a starch listed on the ingrediants. If you have found something different then please let me know. I love pudding!
What's wrong with starch? Maybe I'm doing it wrong then but I was sure that starch is ok after you have passed into P2. My goodness, you'd be severely resticted in your food if you can't have any starch at all.
Fat and sugarfree Jello Pudding can be bought at Zehrs but I'm sure many other groceries as well. If you make it with skim milk here are the stats:
1 serving - 1/4 of the mix
25 cals
.1 g protein
.1 g fat (that would be from the milk)
5.9 g carbohydrate
47mg aspartame (sweetener)
23mg acesulfame-potassium (sweetener)
I have one pudding per day as either part of my breakfast or as my supper dessert.
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Sun Jan 16, 2005 7:37 pm |
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| idnarb
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LOWCARBnBARB wrote: Anything under 90 proof for any distilled liquor is going to give you carbs. Barb
So I should try and drink liquor over 90 proof?
Any idea which drinks fall in that category?
Im a bit of a drinker/partier, Im staying away from alcohol in P1 but afterwards, since I know I AM going to drink, whats the best?
I was thinking red wine and rum or whiskey w/ diet.
Any other suggestions for better liquors to drink? |
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Sun Jan 16, 2005 7:43 pm |
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| jenniferrau
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Sorry, about the pudding thing, I am still in phase one! My mistake
I also like to have a drink here and there with girlfriends. However, I think alcohal was the stinker that got me here in the first place. If you want to lose weight that bad I would cross out the drinking until you are ready to maintain your weight. I go out still but have diet coke in a small glass with a twist of lime so that I look like I am drinking. That way I don't have to explain to people why I am not drinking alcohol. On phase 2 you can 1-2 glasses of red wine. I would suggest that. |
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Sun Jan 16, 2005 7:52 pm |
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| jenniferrau
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Hey Val just found this on page 2 or 3....
This is from the Daily Dish published last year during the holidays:
Drink Up!!
Planning on having a couple of drinks to celebrate the holidays? No problem. According to Dr. Agatston, one or two glasses a day of alcohol (except beer) is okay beginning in Phase 2. Just make sure you drink during or right after a meal, since a stomach full of food will slow the absorption of alcohol into your bloodstream - and keep your blood sugar levels steadier. And, of course, you'll want to avoid sugary mixers like fruit juices and regular tonic (opt for diet tonic instead).
Still, not all alcoholic beverages are created equal, since some contain more natural and added sugars than others. Here's a look:
Enjoy, in moderation (limit 2 servings daily):
* Red and white wine (one serving = 3-4 ounces)
* Champagne (one serving = 3-4 ounces)
* Vodka (one serving = 1 1/2 ounces)
* Gin (one serving = 1 1/2 ounces)
* Rum (one serving = 1 1/2 ounces)
* Bourbon (one serving = 1 1/2 ounces)
Avoid:
* Beer
* Brandy
* Port wine
* Liqueurs (including Kahlua, Bailey's, Amaretto, schnapps, etc.)
* Sherry
* Wine coolers (often contain a lot of added sugar) |
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Sun Jan 16, 2005 8:15 pm |
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| LOWCARBnBARB
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idnarb wrote:
So I should try and drink liquor over 90 proof?
Any idea which drinks fall in that category?
Im a bit of a drinker/partier, Im staying away from alcohol in P1 but afterwards, since I know I AM going to drink, whats the best?
I was thinking red wine and rum or whiskey w/ diet.
Any other suggestions for better liquors to drink?
*g*.... well being a non-drinker I wouldn't have any idea how you should plan your drinking of the spirits. I guess it depends on how quickly you want to get to goal. Diet mix would definitely be better than the regular sugar ones and wine is probably better than mixed drinks but you better ask someone who knows for sure.
Good luck with your plan.
Barb |
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Sun Jan 16, 2005 10:03 pm |
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| bflores
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| idnarb wrote: Vodka is derived from potatoes. So essentially think of it as drinking a pototato, same chemistry. Not so fast. Many vodkas have never been near a potato. Vodka can be made from just about anything that's edible, and most are actually made from grains (whole grains at that). There is even a new French vodka that's made from grapes. |
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Fri Jan 21, 2005 5:41 pm |
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| bflores
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LOWCARBnBARB wrote: Anything under 90 proof for any distilled liquor is going to give you carbs. This is simply not true. Distilled spirits have 0 carbs. Has nothing to do with what proof it is. Here is but one reference:
http://www.carbohydrate-counter.org/beverages/search.php?cat=Alcoholic%20beverage&fg=1400 |
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Fri Jan 21, 2005 5:51 pm |
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| Maxine91
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Good point about the alcohol getting you here in the first place jenniferrau.
I think alcohol has a lot to do with my weight gain.
I hate to admit this being on this diet but I brew beer at home occassionally and one of my best friends is a brewer at a brew pub. So tasting beer is an important part of my life.
I mean if I think about it say I go out on a friday night. I would have 4 beers over a period of say 4 hours. I don't drink light beer so that is 150 calories each for a total of 600 calories. But, about 2 beers into the night I would be starving because I didn't eat dinner. So I would order a meal (1000 calories or more). Then I'd make dinner another night and my friend would bring over a growler of beer (4 beers total) so that would be 2 beers for me = 300 calories. Now, I may have an additional 1-2 beers a week if there was something new I wanted to try at his resturant or just felt like drinking one, 300 calories. So I am looking at give or take on an average week 1200 extra calories to beer and 1000 or more calories because of my happy hour binge. Wow that really adds up if you think about it.
So it's not even just the beer. It's having a couple, deciding I am hungry and eating something with a lot more calories that I would have at home.
So I think that maybe when and If I am invited for a night out I will 1. Not order beer, stick to red wine (which works out great because I LOVE red wine). But keep it reasonable, have a glass or two, not the whole 1.5 liter bottle and 2. Eat a meal before I meet up with my friend and PASS on Happy Hour. It's too tempting with the free crappy food. Stick some peanuts in your purse instead :)
Sorry, just thinking out loud. Your posts got my wheels turning.... |
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Fri Jan 21, 2005 7:40 pm |
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